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    1. Ross Douthat‏Verified account @DouthatNYT Feb 1

      This experience has led restrictionists to oppose up-front grants of legal status and citizenship paths, to demand their preferred reforms (border security, E-Verify, changes to legal immigration policies) upfront with any legal status grant deferred.

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    2. Ross Douthat‏Verified account @DouthatNYT Feb 1

      From that perspective, the Trump administration's offer -- which Drezner describes as "so ridiculously over-the-top that it has poisoned the negotiating process" -- is a big move *away* from restrictionist premises.

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    3. Ross Douthat‏Verified account @DouthatNYT Feb 1

      The offer grants legal status and a path to citizenship for the DREAM population more or less up-front, tied to border security spending but with no E-Verify expansion to deter further illegal immigration. This is not what restrictionists have wanted.

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    4. Ross Douthat‏Verified account @DouthatNYT Feb 1

      And in exchange it proposes a slowdown in low-skilled legal immigration that would take effect only after the current visa backlog is cleared, which would likely be *two* presidencies away. Again, exactly the kind of deferred restrictionism that the right has repeatedly rejected.

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    5. Ross Douthat‏Verified account @DouthatNYT Feb 1

      Now if and when that slowdown takes effect, it would make real cuts, which it's understandable that liberals (and others, myself mostly included these days) don't think we need to make. But that doesn't mean the offer doesn't make a lot of concessions; it does.

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    6. Ross Douthat‏Verified account @DouthatNYT Feb 1

      And therefore you can *imagine* counter-offer from Democrats. Like: "We do this but we just change skills mix rather than cutting legal rates." Or: "We do this but we do more E-Verify instead of cutting rates." Or: "We do this but we want a bigger amnesty up-front." Or something.

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    7. Ross Douthat‏Verified account @DouthatNYT Feb 1

      Maybe/probably no deal would come of this. (Among other things, resistance from the right to the Trump offer is real.) But on paper you can see how it might work ... *if* you understand what restrictionists fear, and what they're conceding with this offer.

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    8. Ross Douthat‏Verified account @DouthatNYT Feb 1

      Which I don't think @dandrezner and many other smart people on the center-left quite get, which again is part of why the deal probably can't happen.

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    9. Ross Douthat‏Verified account @DouthatNYT Feb 1

      As a coda my own view is that recent trends in illegal immigration have made it less likely that we'll see a replay of the '86 amnesty's aftermath, which makes me more sympathetic to an upfront amnesty in exchange for a revamped system than I would have been 5-7 years ago.

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    10. Ross Douthat‏Verified account @DouthatNYT Feb 1

      Which in turn is why, though he's more of an immigration optimist than I am overall, I agree with this @lymanstoneky take on how you could get to a reasonable deal from the WH's offer:https://thefederalist.com/2018/01/31/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-in-trumps-immigration-proposal/ …

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      tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Feb 1
      Replying to @DouthatNYT @lymanstoneky

      Ross, how different would your personal feelings on immigration be if Latinos were all Pentecostals or Lutherans instead of Catholics?

      8:51 AM - 1 Feb 2018
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        2. Lyman Stone‏ @lymanstoneky Feb 1
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas @DouthatNYT

          (the majority of immigrants right now are not Latinos)

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        3. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Feb 1
          Replying to @lymanstoneky @DouthatNYT

          It’s a question for Ross not you; but I assume you saw the Yale study on illegal aliens published recently?

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        4. Lyman Stone‏ @lymanstoneky Feb 1
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas @DouthatNYT

          not sure. link? but note that most immigrants come here legally now.

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        5. Lyman Stone‏ @lymanstoneky Feb 1
          Replying to @lymanstoneky @QuasLacrimas @DouthatNYT

          (and note that as a Lutheran I'd be very happy to have an inundation of Lutheran immigrants! but even if their Hindus or pastafarians, I'm fine with that)

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        6. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Feb 1
          Replying to @lymanstoneky @DouthatNYT

          as a Lutheran I’ll bet you’d be happy to have Somalis or Hmong who want nothing to do with Christ, this is irrelevant to what I asked Ross

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