Ah yes but Luther is something of a notable exception to the rule. Mary has long faded from the significance she had for Luther in modern Protestant churches
-
-
Replying to @CitadelMark
Calvin attributed to her a treasury of Christ’s teachings akin to that of St. Paul, hardly a snub The bottom line is that the worship of the saints in the medieval cult went beyond honor to idolatry and Mary was the paradigm case.
1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @QuasLacrimas
One can of course believe this to be the case, but the veneration of saints is such an early feature of the faith that one ends up saying "Martin, you are my Luther, and on this Luther I will build my true church... 1500 years from now."
1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @CitadelMark
you think iraeneus and pappias show the same level of veneration for the dead as the medievals? obv in the church there must be adiaphora, and sometimes things that are inoffensive at one pt become impious by association with new heresies
1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @QuasLacrimas
So you would claim veneration to be heretical at the time of Nicaea II which condemned the iconoclasts?
1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @CitadelMark
i think so but i would have to consult my chart of the major councils to give a firm opinion imvho competition for state patronage and purity-spiral dynamics b/w antioch and alexandria led to all the nasty heresies around the time of chalcedon
1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @QuasLacrimas @CitadelMark
as theology, mariolatry was largely an after-effect of schismatic squabble between alexandrian and antiochean christology
1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @QuasLacrimas @CitadelMark
as folk religion it was a survival from paganism at a time when europe was half-christianized the iconophiles were driven more by economics and factional politics than by an honest desire to glorify Christ and His martyrs
1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
-
Replying to @CitadelMark
It’s complicated - after Chalcedon the councils got increasingly bound up with, and dependent on, Byz politics, plus fallout over the dueling anathemas from the splinter Eastern churches
1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
I think the basic gist of II° Nicaea - to deny Hieria recognition as an ecumenical council, to forbid the worship of images while de-criminalizing their use in sacred art - was wise
Loading seems to be taking a while.
Twitter may be over capacity or experiencing a momentary hiccup. Try again or visit Twitter Status for more information.