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    1. Krem de la Kremlin  🇸🇾‏ @CitadelMark Jan 22

      I'm curious. How do Protestants (not Anglicans necessarily) explain Marian apparitions, which are remarkably well attested to down the centuries, in the Catholic, Orthodox, and Coptic lands?

      7 replies 2 retweets 21 likes
    2. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Jan 22
      Replying to @CitadelMark

      Do you think such apparitions somehow have a logical connection to intercession and mariolatry?

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Krem de la Kremlin  🇸🇾‏ @CitadelMark Jan 22
      Replying to @QuasLacrimas

      Not necessarily, but they would indicate She, even now, has an importance for Christians beyond what most Protestants are even willing to consider.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    4. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Jan 22
      Replying to @CitadelMark

      Luther: >[S]he became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man's understanding.

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    5. Krem de la Kremlin  🇸🇾‏ @CitadelMark Jan 22
      Replying to @QuasLacrimas

      Ah yes but Luther is something of a notable exception to the rule. Mary has long faded from the significance she had for Luther in modern Protestant churches

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    6. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Jan 22
      Replying to @CitadelMark

      Calvin attributed to her a treasury of Christ’s teachings akin to that of St. Paul, hardly a snub The bottom line is that the worship of the saints in the medieval cult went beyond honor to idolatry and Mary was the paradigm case.

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    7. Krem de la Kremlin  🇸🇾‏ @CitadelMark Jan 22
      Replying to @QuasLacrimas

      One can of course believe this to be the case, but the veneration of saints is such an early feature of the faith that one ends up saying "Martin, you are my Luther, and on this Luther I will build my true church... 1500 years from now."

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      tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Jan 22
      Replying to @CitadelMark

      you think iraeneus and pappias show the same level of veneration for the dead as the medievals? obv in the church there must be adiaphora, and sometimes things that are inoffensive at one pt become impious by association with new heresies

      3:56 PM - 22 Jan 2018
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        2. Krem de la Kremlin  🇸🇾‏ @CitadelMark Jan 22
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas

          So you would claim veneration to be heretical at the time of Nicaea II which condemned the iconoclasts?

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        3. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Jan 22
          Replying to @CitadelMark

          i think so but i would have to consult my chart of the major councils to give a firm opinion imvho competition for state patronage and purity-spiral dynamics b/w antioch and alexandria led to all the nasty heresies around the time of chalcedon

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        4. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Jan 22
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas @CitadelMark

          as theology, mariolatry was largely an after-effect of schismatic squabble between alexandrian and antiochean christology

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        5. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Jan 22
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas @CitadelMark

          as folk religion it was a survival from paganism at a time when europe was half-christianized the iconophiles were driven more by economics and factional politics than by an honest desire to glorify Christ and His martyrs

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        6. Krem de la Kremlin  🇸🇾‏ @CitadelMark Jan 22
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas

          So you reject the Council?

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        7. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Jan 22
          Replying to @CitadelMark

          It’s complicated - after Chalcedon the councils got increasingly bound up with, and dependent on, Byz politics, plus fallout over the dueling anathemas from the splinter Eastern churches

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        8. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Jan 22
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas @CitadelMark

          I think the basic gist of II° Nicaea - to deny Hieria recognition as an ecumenical council, to forbid the worship of images while de-criminalizing their use in sacred art - was wise

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