Right. Notably both of Acton's royal examples were about a monarch whose sovereignty was denied by the supreme prelate recognized by many subjects, and the violence was directed (a) vs the pretender, (b) vs the seditious heretics
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Replying to @QuasLacrimas
But if Britain had never alienated the sovereign's authority over the Church to a precarious Italian republic, that would never have been an issue in the first place
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lol i think we prolly agree in principle, but the Greek Orthodox church hardly offers an edifying spectacle when it comes to church-state relations... i assume you know the history of the Byzantines...
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Anglicanism was (and is) stunted by impressive papist efforts to subvert the Church. First Mary radicalized the clergy, then Charles II intentionally fanned fringe groups, then James II discredited all the loyal high churchmen who believed him and defended him zealously
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The papism of the Church caused problems of this type, not just in England but in every Western country, all through the Middle Ages. That a minor Italian prince arrogated the right to decide which of Henry VIII's children were legitimate was only the last straw
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That a princeling who was at the mercy of Charles V had authority to annul his niece's marriage was unfortunate, ofc. But even at pts where bishop of Rome could stand on its own two feet, he still intervened in power politics like this
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I've never seen a papist who was both (a) committed (i.e. not just ethnically RCC) and (b) able to give a complete account of his understanding of medieval papal mischief
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