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    1. scientism‏ @mr_scientism 20 Dec 2017
      Replying to @QuasLacrimas

      What's the relevance?

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    2. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas 20 Dec 2017
      Replying to @mr_scientism

      have you ever read any social choice theory? the intelligent/unintelligent distinction you seem to be trying to draw is illusory

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    3. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas 20 Dec 2017
      Replying to @QuasLacrimas @mr_scientism

      you can't say "oh well, if that process were INTELLIGENT it wouldn't have done that dumb thing" because the bounds on rationality are structural, and apply to any rational agent (and any process which mimics the strategy of a rational agent, as well)

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    4. scientism‏ @mr_scientism 20 Dec 2017
      Replying to @QuasLacrimas

      I’m not saying intelligences can’t be dumb, I’m saying it’s the unintended consequences of the market that are usually presented as evidence for the market’s supposed agency (it has runaway, escaped, etc), and intelligence can’t ONLY be dumb.

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    5. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas 20 Dec 2017
      Replying to @mr_scientism

      But the reason why it has those features is that the market filters/optimizes in a way that solves some problems and gets trapped by others. Have you been exposed to social choice theory? if you at least know what I'm talking about, Elster's book "Sour Grapes" is v good on this

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    6. scientism‏ @mr_scientism 20 Dec 2017
      Replying to @QuasLacrimas

      I know bits and pieces, but haven’t studied it in any detail. Not sure what it has to do with whether the market can be considered an agent.

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    7. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas 20 Dec 2017
      Replying to @mr_scientism

      you've prolly read "evolution of cooperation," right? so you know that non-sentient processes can be analyzed as if they were following strategies even if they are not literally following strategies?

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    8. Ex Carcini  🥀‏ @fides_et_cancri 20 Dec 2017
      Replying to @QuasLacrimas @mr_scientism

      What are the limiting qualifiers on that analysis (is it in your grapes... I have it on my Kindle but haven't cracked it open)

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    9. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas 20 Dec 2017
      Replying to @fides_et_cancri @mr_scientism

      well, i don't know if we know what limits there are yet... still more in the phase of getting clear on what the limits might be so that we can distinguish conceptual limits from empirical hypotheses (which can be tested etc)

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    10. Ex Carcini  🥀‏ @fides_et_cancri 20 Dec 2017
      Replying to @QuasLacrimas @mr_scientism

      I'm intensely distrustful of that model in that case. There's no logical reason to not just axiomatically accept agency ala http://Mr.Land 

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      tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas 20 Dec 2017
      Replying to @fides_et_cancri @mr_scientism

      what does that mean "to automatically accept agency"

      4:14 PM - 20 Dec 2017
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        2. Ex Carcini  🥀‏ @fides_et_cancri 20 Dec 2017
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas @mr_scientism

          Axiomatic

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        3. Ex Carcini  🥀‏ @fides_et_cancri 20 Dec 2017
          Replying to @fides_et_cancri @QuasLacrimas @mr_scientism

          As in the model must presume from the get go that it is an agency driven process for sake of discussion without any analogic qualifiers

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        4. Ex Carcini  🥀‏ @fides_et_cancri 20 Dec 2017
          Replying to @fides_et_cancri @QuasLacrimas @mr_scientism

          I see the utility but I don't see how it bypasses poor explanations or errors. There's no possibility or reason to prove when something is agent driven or not

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        5. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas 20 Dec 2017
          Replying to @fides_et_cancri @mr_scientism

          Well, read Sour Grapes first and then we'll talk. Idk if you are talking about a question w/in its scope or beyond it. Obv it can't cover everything

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        6. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas 20 Dec 2017
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas @fides_et_cancri @mr_scientism

          I still want to read the book on "Darwinian metaphysics" you showed me, and I've found another fascinating french book on similar topic, btw

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        7. Ex Carcini  🥀‏ @fides_et_cancri 20 Dec 2017
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas @mr_scientism

          What's the French book?

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        8. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas 20 Dec 2017
          Replying to @fides_et_cancri @mr_scientism

          villareal, origin of group identity (iirc villareal is french but the book is translated)

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