8/Initial step is to get them to think about measurements instead of goals. I.e. can't convince them xyz is a bad weight, but
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19/They imply terrible life choices. Fuels past regret, future anxiety. Not smart to index progress-evaluation to these!
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20/Better to convince a friend of importance of something linked to physique but LESS important: endurance/stamina/strength.
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21/(Even better if you hook him on a sport & he starts to autistically grind) He makes progress on these, & loses weight too.
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22/If I don't officially end the thread I'll keep coming back with increasingly trivial observations, so: /thread
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