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    1. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 27
      Replying to @QuasLacrimas @AristotradX4 and

      But he wasn’t a platonist. Augustine’s philosophy is bizarre. His answers to a number of phil. questions are simply unique (well, him and Tertullian)

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    2. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 27
      Replying to @QuasLacrimas @TsarofMeats @NoTrueScotist

      It IS bizarre, but I don't think we can really deny that he was heavily influenced by platonic thought, even as he sought to differentiate Christianity from Platonism in areas such as creation, nature of the soul, etc.

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    3. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 27
      Replying to @AristotradX4 @TsarofMeats @NoTrueScotist

      Just to be clear - are you saying some of Augustine’s epistemology, cosmology, sociological ideas in Civ. Dei come from Plato, etc? or that the soteriology and christology people call “Augustinian” is in fact just Platonism?

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    4. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 28
      Replying to @QuasLacrimas @TsarofMeats @NoTrueScotist

      The question as framed is somewhat irrelevant due to its simplicity. I think we can all understand that there is a world of difference between holding to a fundamentally Christian, biblical worldview which is then used to assess outside systems...

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    5. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 28
      Replying to @AristotradX4 @QuasLacrimas and

      ... versus using an outside system as a starting point which is then used to mold Christian content into a form closer to the likeness of the outside system. it is the latter which I would say Augustine did.

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    6. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 28
      Replying to @AristotradX4 @QuasLacrimas and

      We've all acceded that Augustine had heavy platonic influences. The testimony of the relevant contexts indicate that the influences worked in the direction I've indicated. As such, Augustine's philosophy can't really be considered "Christian" in an apostolic sense,

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    7. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 28
      Replying to @AristotradX4 @QuasLacrimas and

      ...i.e. as being the pure faith handed down from the apostles who received it from Jesus Christ, but rather must be considered as "christianized"only. As a result, theological systems such as Reformed theology which rely heavily upon Augustinianism...

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    8. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 28
      Replying to @AristotradX4 @QuasLacrimas and

      ...can only be considered "Christian" in a secondary sense in that they represent an overlay of a Christian veneer upon something else

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    9. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 28
      Replying to @AristotradX4 @QuasLacrimas and

      Now, don't misunderstand what I'm saying. I don't think that Augustine is useless or irrelevant or that we shouldn't be interested in what he had to say. I'm merely saying that we should be wary about building and following a doctrinal system based too closely up on his thought

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    10. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 28
      Replying to @AristotradX4 @TsarofMeats @NoTrueScotist

      Your frame is silly. It’s especially silly coming from a Baptist since, as the papists love to point out, many ideas of the low church can be traced back in unbroken succession to actual heretics. You don’t think that matters for *you* because you are unaware of that history

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      tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 28
      Replying to @QuasLacrimas @AristotradX4 and

      But it makes it ridiculous to claim that when you introject your axioms about free will into interpretation, that you are just invoking “common sense” and anyone who doesn’t see that axiom as necessary must be “influenced” by some other philosophy

      8:48 AM - 28 Sep 2018
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        2. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 28
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas @TsarofMeats @NoTrueScotist

          Nope, it's merely appealing to the perspicuity of Scripture and its revelation in natural human languages which have accessible meanings that exist without having to resort to allegorical or esoteric flights of fancy.

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        3. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 28
          Replying to @AristotradX4 @QuasLacrimas and

          It's the difference between starting with Scripture itself as the frame of reference and working forward from there versus starting with what people hundreds of years after the fact said *about* Scripture and working backwards

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        4. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 28
          Replying to @AristotradX4 @QuasLacrimas and

          Otherwise, we'd have to conclude that a sound hermeneutics does not require actually referencing the source material (i.e. Scripture), which *would* be silly, I agree

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