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    1. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 27
      Replying to @AristotradX4 @QuasLacrimas and

      Second, your particular argument is falsely premised. The extension of grace is not the same thing as God choosing for us to "choose" to be saved. We know that God's will is for all to repent and be saved (II Peter 3:9, I Tim. 2:4).

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    2. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 27
      Replying to @AristotradX4 @QuasLacrimas and

      The grace of God which brings salvation has appeared to all men (Titus 2:11). Yet, we also know that this doesn't and won't happen Matt. 7:14).

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    3. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 27
      Replying to @AristotradX4 @QuasLacrimas and

      While philosophy may find this mystifying, the biblicist merely understands that God draws us, but sovereignly chooses to give us the choice to accept or reject His grace

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    4. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 27
      Replying to @AristotradX4 @TsarofMeats @NoTrueScotist

      First, I’ve read Augustine; it’s pretty thickly Biblical. I respect your opinion but I’m sure you realize that his use of source texts is denser, more perspicuous, more consistent with the unanimous opinion of the patres, and much more careful to avoid assumptions than yours

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    5. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 27
      Replying to @QuasLacrimas @AristotradX4 and

      Undoubtedly you have different treatments in mind that you consider better models than your own exegesis, I understand that - just realize why this sounds weak as a defense of your own position

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    6. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 27
      Replying to @QuasLacrimas @AristotradX4 and

      It is worth actually reading the “philosophical” parts of Augustine carefully b/c it makes the distinction between Christian doctrine and Christian philosophy v clear

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    7. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 27
      Replying to @QuasLacrimas @TsarofMeats @NoTrueScotist

      The whole point is that there can't really be a "Christian" philosophy. There can be philosophies which Christians can (at least in parts) accept, but a "Christian adaptation of, say, Plato is spurious. It's attempting to reconcile systems that God tells us not to reconcile

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    8. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 27
      Replying to @AristotradX4 @TsarofMeats @NoTrueScotist

      lol, there is. when Augustine is asking doctrinal questions, he focuses on Bible. But accepting Biblical doctrine gives him (Christian) opinions on certain matters. Now when he goes to ask *philosophical* questions, what happens?

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    9. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 27
      Replying to @QuasLacrimas @AristotradX4 and

      Augustine didn’t think the Bible was a philosophy handbook of course. He has a letter or sermon condemning ppl who bring ridicule upon the Church by acting as though the articles of faith give them technical expertise on q’s astronomy, etc

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    10. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 27
      Replying to @QuasLacrimas @AristotradX4 and

      But he still does have faith in the truth of the doctrine the Gospel *does* contain, and those truths can in effect serve as axioms for philosophical inquiry

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      tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 27
      Replying to @QuasLacrimas @AristotradX4 and

      You say he’s a platonist and elsewhere imply he fell afoul of Paul’s strictures on pagan vanity

      7:50 PM - 27 Sep 2018
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        2. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 27
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas @AristotradX4 and

          But he wasn’t a platonist. Augustine’s philosophy is bizarre. His answers to a number of phil. questions are simply unique (well, him and Tertullian)

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        3. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 27
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas @TsarofMeats @NoTrueScotist

          It IS bizarre, but I don't think we can really deny that he was heavily influenced by platonic thought, even as he sought to differentiate Christianity from Platonism in areas such as creation, nature of the soul, etc.

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        4. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 27
          Replying to @AristotradX4 @TsarofMeats @NoTrueScotist

          Just to be clear - are you saying some of Augustine’s epistemology, cosmology, sociological ideas in Civ. Dei come from Plato, etc? or that the soteriology and christology people call “Augustinian” is in fact just Platonism?

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        5. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 27
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas @AristotradX4 and

          I took you to be saying the latter - sort of a non sequitur otherwise Btw it’s not super-easy to say which way some of these lines of causation run.

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        6. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 27
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas @AristotradX4 and

          For example, Origen was the disciple of a Platonist, and also had some heretical views, and it’s pretty clear the heresies are just creative Platonic interpretations of Gospel

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        7. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 27
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas @AristotradX4 and

          But then for many later writers with similar views... were they influenced by Plato? neoplatonists? Or by Origen and the Alexandrian school of theology he founded?

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        8. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 27
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas @AristotradX4 and

          Typically when secular historians take the reductive “Athens and Jerusalem” approach and claim the Christian tradition is a creative fusion of Paul’s ideas with Greek philosophy, they’re talking about the Alexandrine approach - Clement and Origen, free will, etc

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        2. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 27
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas @TsarofMeats @NoTrueScotist

          I'd say he reversed the approach, using philosophy as a framework for approaching revealed truths, rather than the other way around. I've no problem with using the Gospel as a starting point for "philosophising" about everything else...

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        3. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 27
          Replying to @AristotradX4 @QuasLacrimas and

          Philosophy is not a valid means of *building* a hermeneutics, however

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        4. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 27
          Replying to @AristotradX4 @TsarofMeats @NoTrueScotist

          Right I think I agree. What Philo does, eg, isn’t heretical so long as you remind yourself it’s not biblical doctrine

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        5. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 27
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas @AristotradX4 and

          Likewise I have thought quite careful about what we can reasonably infer about prehistory from Genesis, given what we know from archaeology and previously confirmed sections; this is not exegesis, but it’s also not sensible unless you believe it’s an accurate document

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