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    1. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 27
      Replying to @AristotradX4 @QuasLacrimas and

      The obvious synthesis of this is that while God works to extend His grace and draw men unto Himself, man has the choice to accept or reject that grace, which then becomes the basis of judgement. Without this, no calvinistic argument for God's judgement can even credibly be made.

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    2. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 27
      Replying to @AristotradX4 @TsarofMeats @NoTrueScotist

      It’s “obvious” only in the Phil 100 sense where you combine higher-level concepts according to the rules of ordinary language If I choose for you to do X, then you did not choose to do X (I chose it for you); that rule does not apply to God as creator and king

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    3. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 27
      Replying to @QuasLacrimas @TsarofMeats @NoTrueScotist

      There are two issues I'd like to address in response. The first problem is with trying to use philosophy to address something which philosophy is incompetent to address.

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    4. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 27
      Replying to @AristotradX4 @QuasLacrimas and

      Interpretation of Scripture according to the ordinary rules of language is why we even have Scripture in human languages. Scripture is perspicuous. We don't need philosophy to be able to understand what God wants us to understand about Him.

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    5. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 27
      Replying to @AristotradX4 @QuasLacrimas and

      Indeed, given the warnings about philosophy and man's wisdom that Scripture gives us (Col. 2:8, I Cor. 2-3), we would be wise not to try to make firm claims about the nature, will, and Being of God on the basis of philosophy...

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    6. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 27
      Replying to @AristotradX4 @QuasLacrimas and

      ...especially not when those conclusions contradict the testimony of Scripture. One problem with Calvinism is that it's not so much a system of doctrine as it is a distilled form of Augustinian philosophy.

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    7. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 27
      Replying to @AristotradX4 @QuasLacrimas and

      Unfortunately, Augustine's whole referential framework was in his attempt to distance himself from his former false gnosto-philosophy of Manicheanism, so his attempts were still essentially extant within that paradigm, rather than within a *scriptural* one.

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    8. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 27
      Replying to @AristotradX4 @QuasLacrimas and

      Second, your particular argument is falsely premised. The extension of grace is not the same thing as God choosing for us to "choose" to be saved. We know that God's will is for all to repent and be saved (II Peter 3:9, I Tim. 2:4).

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    9. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 27
      Replying to @AristotradX4 @QuasLacrimas and

      The grace of God which brings salvation has appeared to all men (Titus 2:11). Yet, we also know that this doesn't and won't happen Matt. 7:14).

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    10. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 27
      Replying to @AristotradX4 @QuasLacrimas and

      While philosophy may find this mystifying, the biblicist merely understands that God draws us, but sovereignly chooses to give us the choice to accept or reject His grace

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      tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 27
      Replying to @AristotradX4 @TsarofMeats @NoTrueScotist

      First, I’ve read Augustine; it’s pretty thickly Biblical. I respect your opinion but I’m sure you realize that his use of source texts is denser, more perspicuous, more consistent with the unanimous opinion of the patres, and much more careful to avoid assumptions than yours

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        2. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 27
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas @AristotradX4 and

          Undoubtedly you have different treatments in mind that you consider better models than your own exegesis, I understand that - just realize why this sounds weak as a defense of your own position

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        3. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 27
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas @AristotradX4 and

          It is worth actually reading the “philosophical” parts of Augustine carefully b/c it makes the distinction between Christian doctrine and Christian philosophy v clear

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        4. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 27
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas @TsarofMeats @NoTrueScotist

          The whole point is that there can't really be a "Christian" philosophy. There can be philosophies which Christians can (at least in parts) accept, but a "Christian adaptation of, say, Plato is spurious. It's attempting to reconcile systems that God tells us not to reconcile

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        5. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 27
          Replying to @AristotradX4 @TsarofMeats @NoTrueScotist

          lol, there is. when Augustine is asking doctrinal questions, he focuses on Bible. But accepting Biblical doctrine gives him (Christian) opinions on certain matters. Now when he goes to ask *philosophical* questions, what happens?

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        6. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 27
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas @AristotradX4 and

          Augustine didn’t think the Bible was a philosophy handbook of course. He has a letter or sermon condemning ppl who bring ridicule upon the Church by acting as though the articles of faith give them technical expertise on q’s astronomy, etc

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        7. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 27
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas @AristotradX4 and

          But he still does have faith in the truth of the doctrine the Gospel *does* contain, and those truths can in effect serve as axioms for philosophical inquiry

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        8. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 27
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas @AristotradX4 and

          You say he’s a platonist and elsewhere imply he fell afoul of Paul’s strictures on pagan vanity

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        9. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 27
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas @AristotradX4 and

          But he wasn’t a platonist. Augustine’s philosophy is bizarre. His answers to a number of phil. questions are simply unique (well, him and Tertullian)

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        2. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 27
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas @TsarofMeats @NoTrueScotist

          I've read him too. With all due respect, despite his professed concern for contextual literalism, his hermeneutics were extremely allegorical. For that reason, if no other, he definitely can't be said to have taken a perspicacious approach to Scripture

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        3. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 27
          Replying to @AristotradX4 @TsarofMeats @NoTrueScotist

          oh, the threefold-meaning thing was everywhere in the early church; but Augustine rarely builds arguments on allegorice typically the idea is, *in the commentary*, you provide the three senses for transparency, and then in dogmatics you check for consistency at end

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        4. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 27
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas @AristotradX4 and

          (vs low church habit of only citing the verses that agree with position and letting someone else worry about in utramque partem)

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        1. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 27
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas @TsarofMeats @NoTrueScotist

          Also highly doubtful that he can be said to be consistent with the unanimous opinion of earlier fathers since there wasn't unanimity anywise

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