...and the consequences for that choice are those which God has already foreordained through His own wisdom and will to be the result of that choice.
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Replying to @AristotradX4 @QuasLacrimas and
Scriptural predestination does not involve God picking and choosing some to salvation and some to damnation. Rather, the scripture tells us that predestination is to the fruits of salvation
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Replying to @AristotradX4 @QuasLacrimas and
Those who choose to respond to His grace in faith are predestined to then be conformed to the image of Christ (Rom. 8:29-30) by being glorified and made like unto Him at His return (Col. 3:4, I John 3:2).
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Replying to @AristotradX4 @QuasLacrimas and
They are predestined to partake in the adoption and inheritance of sons of God with Christ (Eph. 1:5, 11). None of which is the same as saying that God simply makes the elect be saved because God chose not to eternally reprobate them.
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Lest I forget, let me thank you for taking the time to put together so many verses and such a cogent presentation of your view
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Replying to @QuasLacrimas @AristotradX4 and
I suspect you ultimately have a rather pagan view of how the will works God does not make us do things; he makes us as doers, he molds our characters, he selects our circumstances
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Replying to @QuasLacrimas @AristotradX4 and
Part of our doings, of course, is also disciplining our own characters and crafting our own circumstances; but this does not put us above or outside God’s plan, but folds us within it
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Replying to @QuasLacrimas @AristotradX4 and
Paul is quite explicit that salvation comes through faith, faith is an unmerited gift from god, faith engenders hope and ultimately care, from which only do good works come
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Replying to @QuasLacrimas @AristotradX4 and
That the virtues of the pagans were expressions of pride (and thus there own reward) is familiar in the Gospel and a patristic cliché; I take for granted you accept that nothing before faith is meritorious, in the eyes of God
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Replying to @QuasLacrimas @AristotradX4 and
To say that some attitude before faith can determine whether God grants faith may seem benign But b/c it is unproblematic to elicit specific attitudes with pagan techniques of self-discipline, granting that commits you to the position for which Pelagius was condemned
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Btw God does not *have* to give you a choice. Paul didn’t have a choice. Some people are saved by their disposition towards the first stirrings of the holy spirit, some by turning down the right street at the right time...
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