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    1. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 26
      Replying to @AristotradX4 @QuasLacrimas and

      However, this grace is NOT God removing the choice from man to accept or reject this grace - which is *not at all* the same thing as man somehow chooses to save himself in the pelagian sense of the term, which involved a rejection of man's sin nature...

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    2. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 26
      Replying to @AristotradX4 @QuasLacrimas and

      ...and belief in his ability to come to God for salvation on man's own terms, which is something that no Baptist that I know of believes. Man chooses to accept or reject grace - but the choice is entirely circumscribed within the parameters God has sovereignly set...

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    3. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 26
      Replying to @AristotradX4 @QuasLacrimas and

      ...and the consequences for that choice are those which God has already foreordained through His own wisdom and will to be the result of that choice.

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    4. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 26
      Replying to @AristotradX4 @QuasLacrimas and

      Scriptural predestination does not involve God picking and choosing some to salvation and some to damnation. Rather, the scripture tells us that predestination is to the fruits of salvation

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    5. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 26
      Replying to @AristotradX4 @QuasLacrimas and

      Those who choose to respond to His grace in faith are predestined to then be conformed to the image of Christ (Rom. 8:29-30) by being glorified and made like unto Him at His return (Col. 3:4, I John 3:2).

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    6. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 26
      Replying to @AristotradX4 @QuasLacrimas and

      They are predestined to partake in the adoption and inheritance of sons of God with Christ (Eph. 1:5, 11). None of which is the same as saying that God simply makes the elect be saved because God chose not to eternally reprobate them.

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    7. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 26
      Replying to @AristotradX4 @TsarofMeats @NoTrueScotist

      Lest I forget, let me thank you for taking the time to put together so many verses and such a cogent presentation of your view

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    8. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 26
      Replying to @QuasLacrimas @AristotradX4 and

      I suspect you ultimately have a rather pagan view of how the will works God does not make us do things; he makes us as doers, he molds our characters, he selects our circumstances

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    9. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 26
      Replying to @QuasLacrimas @AristotradX4 and

      Part of our doings, of course, is also disciplining our own characters and crafting our own circumstances; but this does not put us above or outside God’s plan, but folds us within it

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    10. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 26
      Replying to @QuasLacrimas @AristotradX4 and

      Paul is quite explicit that salvation comes through faith, faith is an unmerited gift from god, faith engenders hope and ultimately care, from which only do good works come

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      tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 26
      Replying to @QuasLacrimas @AristotradX4 and

      That the virtues of the pagans were expressions of pride (and thus there own reward) is familiar in the Gospel and a patristic cliché; I take for granted you accept that nothing before faith is meritorious, in the eyes of God

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        2. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 26
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas @AristotradX4 and

          To say that some attitude before faith can determine whether God grants faith may seem benign But b/c it is unproblematic to elicit specific attitudes with pagan techniques of self-discipline, granting that commits you to the position for which Pelagius was condemned

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        3. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 27
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas @TsarofMeats @NoTrueScotist

          See, nobody is saying this, not me nor other Baptists, which rather makes it a straw man argument. The scripture is clear that God works to draw all men unto Himself (John 12:32). Yet, It also says that all men have not faith (II Thess. 3:2).

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        4. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 27
          Replying to @AristotradX4 @QuasLacrimas and

          The obvious synthesis of this is that while God works to extend His grace and draw men unto Himself, man has the choice to accept or reject that grace, which then becomes the basis of judgement. Without this, no calvinistic argument for God's judgement can even credibly be made.

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        5. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Sep 27
          Replying to @AristotradX4 @TsarofMeats @NoTrueScotist

          It’s “obvious” only in the Phil 100 sense where you combine higher-level concepts according to the rules of ordinary language If I choose for you to do X, then you did not choose to do X (I chose it for you); that rule does not apply to God as creator and king

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        6. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 27
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas @TsarofMeats @NoTrueScotist

          There are two issues I'd like to address in response. The first problem is with trying to use philosophy to address something which philosophy is incompetent to address.

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        7. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 27
          Replying to @AristotradX4 @QuasLacrimas and

          Interpretation of Scripture according to the ordinary rules of language is why we even have Scripture in human languages. Scripture is perspicuous. We don't need philosophy to be able to understand what God wants us to understand about Him.

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        8. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 27
          Replying to @AristotradX4 @QuasLacrimas and

          Indeed, given the warnings about philosophy and man's wisdom that Scripture gives us (Col. 2:8, I Cor. 2-3), we would be wise not to try to make firm claims about the nature, will, and Being of God on the basis of philosophy...

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        9. Aristocratic Trad †♔‏ @AristotradX4 Sep 27
          Replying to @AristotradX4 @QuasLacrimas and

          ...especially not when those conclusions contradict the testimony of Scripture. One problem with Calvinism is that it's not so much a system of doctrine as it is a distilled form of Augustinian philosophy.

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