There are some inaccuracies here, ‘whig historiography’ for example is a badly understood concept. The main purpose there was to ground the right of the commons in a legal tradition claimed to be continuous since the most ancient and unrecorded British law
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See for example Hume’s essay On the Original Constitution. The term is deployed (incorrectly) as a simple synonym for a basic ‘progressive’ view of history, but really Marx and has views are separated a long way from 1688
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Replying to @KANTBOT20K @Logo_Daedalus
If you're talking about Marx in particular, I don't understand how you say that his dialectical materialsm-- which places economics as the driver of political action-- is "basically the same thing" as the fascist/NS view on history, its rejection of "progress", etc
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Replying to @Pozzidonius @Logo_Daedalus
He doesnt do this though, he always reserves the possibility and necessity of revolutionary freedom. The dialectic is not a fixed rubric of material development, that is mostly the interpretation of the second international thinkers later contradicted harshly by Lukacs
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The dialectic refers to a historical awareness that is transformative, history becoming aware of itself and this self-consciousness being nothing less than a spiritual transformation of man and society
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The more basic version expounded by socialists on reddit is Engels and the first wave of Marxists from before WWI, but there are deep problems with this view
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Lukàcs is wishful thinking, there is copious evidence that Marx believed in priority of productive forces
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Priority is one thing, to discard revolutionary freedom is an entirely different thing
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Marx definitely believed that *after* the revolution, one’s way of life would no longer be structured by needs of the mode of production
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Replying to @QuasLacrimas @KANTBOT20K and
(though this view faded into background in his mature work b/c in tension w/ corresponding view that post-rev society unimaginable)
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i can see how this might be what you meant earlier, but if so: this just *is* transcendence of the human conditon, no?
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Replying to @QuasLacrimas @KANTBOT20K and
i assumed you were talking about *the freedom of the revolutionary movement* which is (a) premised on a deterministic social theory, (b) “free” in a quite positive sense (if at all)
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