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In order to think that my definition was what most women REALLY meant to say, I had to write off a decently big crowd of women. Something was off. They were using phrases from TV they didn't understand, but that didn't mean they weren't talking about something real.

Kenergy

@evilJBP

May 23

I do think the definition Darby gave me explains maybe 75% of the problem, but I didn't figure out the other 25% until Vibecamp, where I talked to

@empathy2000

and an anonymous vibecamp user.

Kenergy

@evilJBP

May 23

I was explaining everything I had learned to AVC, and he said that objectification is something you can do with your awareness / vision. He said "You aren't supposed to stare in strip clubs" And I said "What" And he said "Yeah don't don't kubrick stare, it makes them nervous"

Kenergy

@evilJBP

May 23

I don't remember what part of this was explained by him, and which was explained by

@empathy2000

who joined our conversation, but they explained the differences between Expanded Awareness and Collapsed Awareness, which blew my mind

Kenergy

@evilJBP

May 23

The difference is how animals interact with you normally vs when they're hunting. It's the difference between kubrick staring and a comfortable amount of eye contact. It's the difference between how you look at tools, or objects, and how you look at people

Kenergy

@evilJBP

May 23

I'm not great at explaining it because I don't know that much about it, but I think he said

@m_ashcroft

had a video where he demonstrated by looking into the camera, and changing his awareness level. Hopefully more knowledgeable people can take it from here

Kenergy

@evilJBP

May 23

But yeah, basically it seems like most people, even men, can tell when you're looking at them like they're a prey/object. So the women who could complain about men objectifying them, when their story consisted of a guy saying "hi" were probably picking up on that

Kenergy

@evilJBP

May 23

I've thought a lot about this recently, and I'm going to be incorporating it into my next film. And I'm really happy I had people to help me figure this out, because I'm going to need to explain it to actors

I heard from

that

demonstrated something like this through touch at VC too, maybe they could help put it into words more too she did a demo around the felt sense difference between touching someone like a friend and touching them like they were meat iirc