would it bother you less if the mostly accidental name had ended up being more accurate, like "rationalist adjacent"?
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It would bother me less. “Post-rat” implies a claim of advancement or superiority.
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I don't think the name is going to stick, honestly. "ingroup" is the replacement and it gets said much more
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I find that name incredibly off-putting but at least it’s factually correct. I wouldn’t object to it.
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I think you might take labels pretty seriously
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I do, but my reaction to “ingroup” is just aesthetic. Reminds me of bullying of exclusion. But actually this community seems like they care more about niceness than I do, lol.
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also yes, I kept this conversation going bc (1) I really respect your meditation post and (2) this is pretty much my edge for how much harshness I can tolerate and it's good to practice
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Well you were delightful to speak w. I can be pretty cranky, but I legit did not know how gentle the post-rat norms were and thought I was just doing Twitter. I can be nice, too, I swear!
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I might be uhm, upper quintile gentle, even for these parts. I have two young daughters and have been going through Some Shit trying to integrate my trauma so I don't pass as much down to them
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you were totally reasonable, I can see how the name can be read as an insult. i am sentimentally attached to it because I associate it with , , and (not saying they identify as such) and the resulting big improvement in my life
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it's not a term i have any interest in using going forward but fwiw when i was using it i meant something very specific (click through for context)
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the esoteric meaning of "postrationalist" is a person who is recovering from the totalizing memes in the rationalist ecosystem. it is a trip. especially because you can't just refute them by saying AGI is impossible
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as far as i can tell people only use it now to criticize it, i literally don't see anybody using it directly anymore. they're chasing after a ghost, i don't care about it, i've moved on, you can all just be free
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yeah now that I've accepted that it really hurts rats feelings I think I will avoid it
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