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the stable compromise point is "actually dont take your whole self to work. at work you adopt the same bland and inoffensive work persona as everyone else because your job is not a vehicle for political expression. keep that shit off-hours and we pretend that self doesnt exist"

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i dont want to know what my coworkers fetish preferences are in exactly the same way that i dont want to know about the way they vote or what gods they worship or how they make love to their wife i just want them to be good at shipping code and responding to emails

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the norm set im proposing is the following. 1. dont bring your sexual, religious, or political life to work. if you find a way to do so without offending great but doing so is assuming a risk on your part 1b. this is not saying: "dont reveal im married to a man/woman/whatever,"

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i dont think thats reasonable. rather its "leave the specifics of your sexual life outside" 2. do whatever you want outside of work but /don't bring your employer into it/. dont become a problem for your employer, idiot dont put your employer in your bio on twitter dot com

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3. if your employer gets tagged in spite of your having followed rules (1) and (2) theyre not even obliged to comment. "off hours. not related to shipping code. not our business" this is actually beneficial to employers who dont want to have to deal with this shit

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all of this is similar to Dont Ask Dont Tell except its a content neutral policy, and its oriented toward *not* firing people rather than firing people it nicely permits both freedom and efficiency at the cost of not bringing your Whole Self to work which i think is bad anyway

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QC (in Berlin 7/29-???)

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i can't believe "bring your whole self to work" is a meme that has any traction at all. it's blatantly obviously incompatible with the possibility of getting fired

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if your whole self is exemplary of the dominant local culture, you're in no danger of being fired - which makes BYWSTW a way for your group to flex their dominance we are free to rub your noses in our politics, you are not free to do the same

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there’s a parallel between the loss of perceived legitimacy of 1) the useful fiction of “..but words can never hurt me” permissive norms around speech and 2) the useful fiction of “the workplace is just about work and nothing else will be allowed in”

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in both cases there’s this big element of make-believe in order to get gains from cooperation. we have to pretend it’s not “mean” to debunk someone’s bad idea. we have to pretend we don’t get affected by “home things” at work

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"bring your whole self to work" + "btw your whole self has to look like this or you're fired" is what we call a double bind and it's bad 😤

i always identified as a Merovingian restorationist at a job where everyone was super political in chat didnt stay long there it was not a good fit

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Same. Especially with the current polarized environment, feels like my whole self would be either too queer/“woke” and a “bad culture fit” for that or not Twitter lib enough with the same result.

Orual

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