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@metaLulie

Jan 24

In addition to these good points, cognitive therapies just seem really bad for people with (C)PTSD type trauma

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Jonathan Shedler

@JonathanShedler

· Jan 20

1/ New study in JAMA compares two "evidence based" (i.e., very brief, conducted by instruction manuals) treatments for PTSD—and is "spun" as evidence the treatments work. Paper says "Both treatments resulted in meaningful decreases in clinician-rated PTSD jamanetwork.com/journals/jaman

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goblin à la mode

@goblinodds

Jan 24

whoa i'm curious about this

about which bit?

cognitive therapies being bad for CPTSD

Because it’s based on emotional (& somatic) memories, not cognitive ones A lot of CPTSD happens precognitively, either before those kinds of memories are made (before age 2/3), or because the thing happened on a visceral emotional level and not understood at the time

So any cognitive beliefs that come up from that will just be results of the underlying emotional generator Fix the emotional schema, the downstream beliefs will take care of themselves (emotional memory reconsolidation aka memory editing)

QC (in Berlin 7/29-???)

@QiaochuYuan

Jan 24

literally all of my shit is like this lol (although i continue to object to describing memory reconsolidation as "memory editing" 😩)

QC (in Berlin 7/29-???)

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for me the vibes of "memory editing" come too close to "lying to myself on purpose" for me to feel comfortable, and that's not remotely how it feels to me when i'm doing it anyway the memory is... dislodged from where it was stuck, so it can swim freely in the ocean

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QC (in Berlin 7/29-???)

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there are variations that involve re-imagining how a memory could have gone a different way but that doesn't feel like "editing" to me either, it's not like i'm *replacing* the old memory. i am *expanding my awareness* to include *other possibilities* in the situation

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@Malcolm_Ocean

Jan 24

yeah "editing" to me implies: - an amount of control in how things resolve once you bring them into contact, that you don't actually have - a kind of overwriting that is impossible and would be bad if it were

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Malcolm Ocean in Glasgow (37/100 vids)

@Malcolm_Ocean

· Jun 4, 2020

Our brains aren't dumb enough to let us simply overwrite our old understanding of things with a new understanding. We'd lose hard-earned lessons. Learning happens by holding the old & new knowings together, til they form a clear, more complex picture

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for me I like the words memory editing because 1) they’re less jargon/more accessible, 2) it’s playful/irreverent (like: memories aren’t the boss of me, I can do what I want and make my very own) this might be my British irony showing through though. I agree it’s lil misleading