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Visa ✈️ SF (Aug 2-14)
@visakanv
I’ll simplify it further: ADHD is really ODD. Obedience deficit disorder. Some of us are wired to disobey. That’s it
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idk why everyone is so confused about ADHD. it's just what happens when the alienation of modern life biases your central nervous system to produce disordered phenomenology such that variegated emotional blocks will hinder cogent evaluation of relational stakes. simple really
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Naia Bouscal
@nbouscal
fwiw i strongly disagree with both models, and especially with the idea of ADHD as a reversible impairment. (i remain confused by the idea of a doctor saying ADHD is a “reversible impairment” while also saying he still has it.) ADHD is a neurotype, but it’s distinct from ODD/PDA
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QC (in Berlin 7/29-???)
@QiaochuYuan
i think the neurotype difference is upstream (what i've been calling "sensitivity") and most of what people call ADHD symptoms are what you might call accumulated trauma that sort of stems from the neurotype difference. does that feel consistent with your sense of things?
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Naia Bouscal
@nbouscal
plausibly consistent, yeah. i think once you look past the trauma stuff, you find actual traits, and they’re 1) unrelated to trauma, 2) permanent aspects of the neurotype, and the spicier take: 3) have a lot more overlap with autism than people tend to think
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QC (in Berlin 7/29-???)
@QiaochuYuan
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yeah i am curious and confused about this and don't feel like i have a good sense of how to untangle things. i am *very* confused about how autism fits in here. there seem to be some tantalizing hints here:
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QC (in Berlin 7/29-???)
@QiaochuYuan
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so, next, i recently finally got around to reading @dschorno's "null call" and it's really good. i was very struck by his description of the signs of potential shamanism. this bit about being "wired for danger" especially arcove.substack.com/p/null-call
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Naia Bouscal
@nbouscal
i have a clearish sense of how to describe the autistic neurotype; i’m significantly fuzzier on exactly what the underlying ADHD neurotype is (or if it’s even meaningfully distinct at that level) some autistic neurotype components: - monotropism - sensory sensitivity - inertia
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Naia Bouscal
@nbouscal
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afaict the autistic community is pretty much fully on the same page that “highly sensitive person” is just autism. aligning adhd and autism is far more controversial.
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Visa ✈️ SF (Aug 2-14)
@visakanv
maybe sensitivity itself is something that is multivariate i feel like my wife and i are sensitive in different ways microphones are a good analogy here, different microphones can be extremely sensitive to completely different frequencies
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UnwillingCassander
@UnCassander
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Autism activists generally try to find autism everywhere, but I don't buy it in the slightest. Too much dancing around the "can't process social cues" which makes up to core of the disorder, too much focus on marginal and tertiary tendencies like fixation.