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I’ll simplify it further: ADHD is really ODD. Obedience deficit disorder. Some of us are wired to disobey. That’s it

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brainlet

@magicianbrain

· Jan 8

idk why everyone is so confused about ADHD. it's just what happens when the alienation of modern life biases your central nervous system to produce disordered phenomenology such that variegated emotional blocks will hinder cogent evaluation of relational stakes. simple really

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as much as i like the vibe of this i don’t actually think that’s what ADHD is. i still think gabor mate pretty much nailed it. what you’re describing is what he calls “counterwill” drgabormate.com/book/scattered

Naia Bouscal

@nbouscal

fwiw i strongly disagree with both models, and especially with the idea of ADHD as a reversible impairment. (i remain confused by the idea of a doctor saying ADHD is a “reversible impairment” while also saying he still has it.) ADHD is a neurotype, but it’s distinct from ODD/PDA

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i think the neurotype difference is upstream (what i've been calling "sensitivity") and most of what people call ADHD symptoms are what you might call accumulated trauma that sort of stems from the neurotype difference. does that feel consistent with your sense of things?

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plausibly consistent, yeah. i think once you look past the trauma stuff, you find actual traits, and they’re 1) unrelated to trauma, 2) permanent aspects of the neurotype, and the spicier take: 3) have a lot more overlap with autism than people tend to think

yeah i am curious and confused about this and don't feel like i have a good sense of how to untangle things. i am *very* confused about how autism fits in here. there seem to be some tantalizing hints here:

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· Dec 22, 2021

so, next, i recently finally got around to reading @dschorno's "null call" and it's really good. i was very struck by his description of the signs of potential shamanism. this bit about being "wired for danger" especially arcove.substack.com/p/null-call

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like here's a rough draft of how i see things: sensitivity ➡️ adults have difficulty providing appropriate care ➡️ insecure attachment / C-PTSD ➡️ many accumulated traumas ➡️ "ADHD symptoms"

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you might be interested in the predictive processing model-- importantly it gives some more precision to the idea of "sensitivity" here in a way that does distinguish and relate ASD and ADHD (ex: there's a difference btw expected vs unexpected stimuli)

lisatomic

@lisatomic5