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they are not vegetables in the culinary sense imo, under the same "rules" that tomatoes are culinarily vegetables rather than fruits
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Not sure where you two are going with this. I pretty firmly believe that vegetable proteins take the place of [animal or vegetable] proteins in a meal. You could have beef stew or lentil stew. A shawarma or falafel. Etc.
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I mean, you can prepare mushrooms or eggplant (among others) to fit the role of meat. I wouldn't plate up a pile of lentils the way I would a steak, but falafel? I'd eat (or serve) that as the "meat" in a pita similarly, cauliflower and chicken work well in a "potato" salad
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Agreed on lentil steak, sure. There's a dichotomy of dishes that treat vegetable protein as meat substitutes (lentil loaf, seitan wings), and dishes that celebrate vegetable protein as their own ingredients with their own strengths and weaknesses, like all other ingredients.
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