there’s a take i think of internally as the “minimal but respectful take” on astrology, tarot, magic, etc. which is that nothing is happening that violates known physics, but that the human mind is capable of discerning real signal from more info than the west assumes
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"Capable of" and "reliably" are two very different things.
My curiosity here is something like, if two people witness the same event but disagree on what happened, what is your response? Not even talking about anything "woo." Just basic eyewitness testimony.
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for sure, no disagreement there
really depends on what other information is available ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ what do i know about them? how are their facial expressions and body language? who seems more likely to be biased in any particular direction?
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Sure, those are all important factors! But the end result still seems to be concluding that one of their reported experiences is false? Or maybe even both.
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Whether we point to sensory acuity, attention, processing, memory, biases, whatever, saying "I respect that you believe what you experienced, but I can't take it at your word" seems a necessary part of respecting our own discernment.
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well i can, at least some of the time ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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i don't quite understand in what way you're disagreeing with me, can you maybe get a little more concrete? or like restate what you think my position is and then what you want to argue with about it?
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Sure; I'm responding to the idea that dismissing people's direct perceptions is meta-gaslighting. Maybe I misunderstood, but to me contesting others' claimed perceptions ofren feels like resisting gaslighting?
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i'm not saying that everyone's perceptions are definitely accurate assessments of reality, obviously that wouldn't make any sense because as you say people's perceptions disagree. i'm saying that i want everyone ot be allowed to have their perceptions *as perceptions*
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