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there are (at least) two different “spaces” at play i think. psychedelic visuals are happening in my “actual visual field.” the rest of the time when i say i’m visualizing something it’s in my “mind’s eye.” like the diff between hallucinating vs. remembering a song

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holyweather

@_holyweather

· Oct 19, 2021

I still don't understand what people are talking about because everyone's always surprised when they take psychedelics and see visuals for the first time, which tells me that nobody is really properly visualising things the way they make it sound, while sober twitter.com/elymitra_/stat…

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QC (in Berlin 7/29-???)

@QiaochuYuan

Oct 19, 2021

i think this is what shinzen’s system refers to as “see out” vs. “see in” but i’m not sure. similarly “hear out” vs. “hear in”. i think some people are capable of imposing visuals on their actual visual field sober though. anyone around here?

Nick

@nickcammarata

Oct 20, 2021

I can kind of do both but they’re diff things, I think you’re right it maps to see in see out

Nick

@nickcammarata

Oct 20, 2021

Eg I can draw a red triangle over the door in front of me and see it faintly in my visual field sober I’m also dyslexic and apparently dyslexia and hyperphantasia / generally increased visual ability often show up together

QC (in Berlin 7/29-???)

@QiaochuYuan

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@nickcammarata

huh super interesting. i have no ability to do anything to my visual field sober and very little on psychedelics even

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can you like, purposefully re-parse a visual object? eg. seeing this cube howtodrawforkids.com/wp-content/upl with either face closer to you, or seeing a hex grid with the with horizontalness highlighted, or angle-ness highlighted?

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yeah, psychedelics are pretty visual for me. MDMA (not usually visual) is a full scene high-resolution hallucination every time Even sex is/was primarily an internally visual experience. As I’ve gotten more control of attention & awareness I’m able to choose whether it is though

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Nick

@nickcammarata

· Jul 1, 2020

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sex is probably 80-90% "visual" to me (it doesn't feel like literal vision)? One moment in a pool with the person one moment dancing around, then we're sucked up out of the pool into the air, then we're both abstract shapes, etc..

Nick

@nickcammarata

Oct 20, 2021

I have a pet theory that see in and see out are pretty connected. Most people I know that have a lot of control/vividness in former can do interesting things with the latter

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