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QC (in Berlin 7/29-???)
@QiaochuYuan
okay i don't know how to interpret gifted kid discourse anymore. in my schools "gifted" meant 140+ IQ or so, the kids there were very obviously reading way above grade level, learning calculus in freshman year of high school, that kind of stuff. is it not like that everywhere?
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owen cyclops
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idk where you guys went to school or what your experience was but the effect of this will be very extreme long term if they actually do it. in a lot of school gifted is just code for “actually teachable” and the normal classes are just non-functional 50-80% of the time. twitter.com/elizashapiro/s…
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QC (in Berlin 7/29-???)
@QiaochuYuan
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thanks for the replies everyone, apparently this varies a lot regionally and presumably by socioeconomic whatever, so for added context, the two gifted programs i was in were in washington state 1998-2004 or so, relatively wealthy suburban areas i think
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José Roberto Urriola
@latticepolys
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Oh it's very heterogeneous, and definitely most of the gifted and talented programs in the US don't have that kind of barrier to entry. Basically, 'giftedness' became wayyy 'overdiagnosed' across America. That's part of the reason it's gotten a lot of pushback recently.
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José Roberto Urriola
@latticepolys
In any case, giftedness is a problem caused by the practice of grading. If students had no grades, and were allowed to pursue their education at their own pace and just produce their best work, they'd realize their potential without the need for segmentation.
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Glenn Stovall
@GSto
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Never thought about it differing so wildly. At my school, I was one of 9 gifted out of 120, so I don't think it was just 'being functional' or privilege. would have been a higher ratio if either were the case
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Lapras IRL
@LaprasIRL
Similar ratio at my school. The regular classes got things done. It wasn't a madhouse. Some friends who were both privileged and good students didn't pass the entry IQ test. Also there weren't many Asians at the school at all.
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mimi
@mimi10v3
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Hm, I was in full time magnet school gifted program and it was prob aimed at like 120 to 140... There was also just special enrichment in schools for like 110 to 120... HS I did a yr at Thomas Jefferson which is among highest rated in US and it was still maybe 130 to 145
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forthrighter
@forthrighter
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where I'm from gifted means you did well on a very particular test with fairly arbitrary topic coverage. Yes indeed, kids from the best families seem to be gifted more often than middle and low income kids; possibly due to cultural biases in the tests themselves
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universal max
@TwetExplainer
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I was in a gifted program which had a lot of Asian/south Asian students, Hispanic/black underrepresented. Also, I think the standards vary for gifted programs. The ppl in my program were probably some of the smartest/most advanced in their school, not genius level tho
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ᴘʀᴏᴛᴏ 🚶🧳🌍 (🇳🇱 aug 2-8)
@protoneutype
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in elementary school I distinctly remember being in a book club for gifted students (GATE program-related?) in middle school I attended the project-based in-building charter in HS I was just in challenging classes - a +2 SD AP courseload & 'advanced' cohorts of core subjects