now i kinda wanna do a gender poll about "is life about having appliances" but i'm not actually sure how to phrase the question properly
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alright whatever let's just do it
poll: what is your ~gender | is life about having appliances? (please see the next QT for some context elaborating on what this question is trying to probe)
- ~m | yes21%
- ~m | no55.3%
- ~f | yes11.2%
- ~f | no12.5%
385 votesFinal results
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it's awkward to point to this whole discussion but start here and scroll up
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Replying to @s_r_constantin and @QiaochuYuan
Atomized modernity: did you mean "young women can move to the city alone, earn their own money, and have sex with people not chosen by their fathers?"
This appliance means freedom.
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this feels related in some deep sense to the Discourse about men sleeping on mattresses on the floor with no bedframes
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this is really well-put and feels really important to me re: the gendered split in the responses
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Replying to @QiaochuYuan
I feel like it’s about the thing where men have fewer close friends and so experience atomized modernity differently than women do.
Women are liberated by appliances from the oppressive aspects of a social fabric in which they are always already enmeshed. Men crave connection.
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If there had been six options, I would vote "F|mu".
I want freedom AND ALSO I think that people should try to use their freedom to make wholesome choices.
For me this leads to questions of cultural and institutional designs with mechanistic details.
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Replying to @oscredwin @Cererean and 2 others
As a Heinlein fan, and non-neurotypical woman, I FEEL this! <3
As someone who wants SOME PART of my society to have SOME CAPACITY for sane pro-social policymaking...
Where is the ratchet that that prevents atomized voters from causing literal "cities-full-of-rubble" anarchy?
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Oh come on, not only is this question phrased in the most misleading way imaginable but you're also clearly wrong here for embarrassingly obvious reasons.
"A social fabric [centered on men's needs] is more important than appliances [that enable women to break free]"
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Good example of how hard it is for someone privileged to imagine that what is cozy for them might not be cozy for others though