so, okay, that's pretty good, why does anyone have a problem with the real numbers then (and they do)? the problem is that we pay a very bizarre price for filling in the gaps: almost every specific real number is literally indescribable, because there are too many of them!
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the problem is that no matter how you choose to describe real numbers, there are only countably many possible descriptions (e.g. only countably many programs that spit out strings of digits), but uncountably many real numbers! it's wack
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this makes some people very uncomfortable (and i think that discomfort is justified). what is "real" about the vast majority of the real number line being inaccessible to any form of description whatsoever???
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(and i mean *vast* majority - in a precise technical sense the probability of a randomly chosen real number being describable is literally zero)
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for the purposes of simpler questions in euclidean geometry you can get away with working with a much smaller set of numbers, the algebraic reals, which are all describable
but you actually need all of the real numbers to do calculus. and we need calculus for a million things
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so the real numbers, as usually constructed, are (this is very much in-my-opinion) this philosophically unsatisfying technical kludge we put up with because it lets us put geometry and calculus and a million other things on a rigorous foundation
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i have hopes that someday someone will find a more philosophically satisfying replacement for the real numbers but it's very unclear to me what that would look like
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in the meantime this is a good opportunity for me to highlight another thing i wish people talked about more: ime it's rarely useful (at first pass) to ask "what is X?" in mathematics and usually much more useful to ask "what does X do?" or "what is X for?"
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actually another meta-level pet peeve of mine: i think a lot of people trying to learn undergrad-to-grad-level math don't really internalize that all this stuff is tools that specific people invented in order to solve specific problems, not like eternal timeless stuff
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undergrad and grad level texts do not show these specific problems
be the change you want to see in the world and show them!
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the problem is they usually require a lot of background to explain. but i got good stuff out of reading dieudonne's history of algebraic and differential topology, eg
the short version is if you assume the motivation had something to do with differential equations you'll be right most of the time. except for number theory and combinatorics i guess
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Really want to read this but holy moly that hardcover price batman
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it’s on libgen lol dw
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