ok so: the is/ought problem, but for feelings
x happens
I feel angry
wait, before the anger is fear
wait, there is sadness, then fear, then anger
why is "sadness" where the rubber meets the road?
is it "x happens; associatively retrieve related memory y; feel those feelings"?
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but how did I have the feelings in y? infinite regress?
maybe emotional system doesn't distinguish retrieved memory from present? so this problem only shows up when u react to the past instead of the present, but it is also possible to react to the present?
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the way lays it out in the bio-emotive framework is like this: prior to emotions like âsadâ or âangryâ something happens to you and you have an âinterpersonal feelingâ about it, e.g. âbetrayedâ or âabandonedâ; often projections / flashbacks to past stuff
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interpersonal feelings in turn trigger core feelings which trigger emotions
so a full-stack example: gf didnât respond to my texts âĄď¸ feel abandoned âĄď¸ feel worthless âĄď¸ feel sad or scared or angry or all three
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whoa why is my causality chain reversed...?
pre-emotional-work: gf didnât respond to my texts âĄď¸ feel bad
maybe I am confusing "getting more visibility into what happens" with "seeing intermediate steps"...
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ime the interpersonal feeling stuff happens quickly and at the level of perception; it doesnât feel like youâre doing it, youâre just immersed unreflectively into the reality where youâre being abandoned b/c youâre worthless
yes! and when I see through this it feels very buddhism/emptiness to me. like this thing that was real just isn't there
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mhm. something something âthe emptiness aspect of therapyâ lol
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