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Anyone got strong thoughts on the difference between postrat and metarat? t.co/H48QxNUicY

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i think the split was built in early on by big Yud himself

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· Jan 28, 2021

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not really joking! I think in practice you have to prioritize either Rationalists Should Win or Have True Beliefs. RSW now align as meta/post, HTB align as rat

wait i simply do not believe these two things are in tension you just have to Not Say Everything You Believe Jeez

is joke? sorry too much time on r/wsb today brain feeling smoooth

are you asking if i understand whether what you said is a joke or are you asking whether what i am saying is a joke lol if the latter i'm being completely serious, having true beliefs and winning should be synergistic, *if* you aren't fixated on a specific notion of "winning"

"winning on your terms, according to your values as you understand them" kind of thing

ok they definitely shouldn't be in conflict in theory but like, some rats went deep into feelings land and some did not. and for some reason I feel like there would be a correlation between which group you are in and how you rank RSW v HTB I am probay wrong

so i am in fact on record prioritizing RSW over HTB in a LW post ages ago so in that sense you are empirically correct lol but i never thought of what i was doing as funging against having true beliefs. if anything it felt *truer* than what the non-feelings rats were doing

6:04 AM · Jan 28, 2021Twitter Web App

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like if anything i think they conflict "in theory but not in practice" in the sense that rat theory has a narrow conception both of what it means to win and what it means to have true beliefs and in practice you can do realer versions of both of those things

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yeah, I think that prioritizing HTB goes along with a spectrum-y, spock-like attachment to complex, externally-focused models that aren't more true and don't win more RSW quickly orients you inward (bc you are the one in the way of youwinning, it turns out)