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it would take awhile to elaborate more fully on what i mean but here's a chunk of it: all the visual / geometric proofs take for granted that whatever "area" means it's something that's preserved under translations and rotations. it's unclear exactly what is needed for this
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i mean, yes, i know how to define areas using *shudder* lebesgue measure and prove that they're invariant, but it's conceptually unsatisfying to do things that way. why did we think that was going to work? because we have some *pretheoretic* understanding of area. what's *that*?
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