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i don’t want to make this a whole thing but i actually believe that i am disgusting and it hurts to hear other people confirm that even as a joke
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One of the strangest things that dating women/kink has taught me is that it is precisely the aspects of myself I was conditioned to believe were "gross" that are most attractive.
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I get it if you guys don’t want to, but could you say a little more about what things you mean by “gross”? Eg. body hair / physical traits, or sexual urges/impulses?
(Those were guesses at things that I think are attractive, but where I can imagine internalizing the opposite)
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idk it’s a whole gestalt thing. somewhere in me i’ve internalized that men are just fundamentally essentially disgusting. inside and out, the whole package
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I find it fascinating because it's entirely possible for masculine presentation to be aesthetic and desirable - just look at male dancers! But idk if it's background radiation homophobia or whatever but men seem /strongly discouraged/ from presenting that way?
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there is some background radiation homophobia and there’s also just like... you have to be really good and really fit to look like these guys and trying to look like them and failing would be insanely embarrassing :/
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Hmm I think regular women’s bodies can be beautiful in some way that’s maybe only taken to the extreme by models etc, and the same thing is going on here. It’s not like you have to be this dude’s strength/agility/body fat % to have attractive masculine traits...
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is it not like that? this is legitimately unclear to me
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i had this feeling for a long time
which is especially odd as i am bi and attracted to men!
the feeling subdued when i did some mdma and with trusted men, found lot of appreciation for masculine bodies and maleness
bisexuality may not be necessary to reap the benefits of this?
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ooh hmm
it is def very hard for me to trust men most of the time (although there are some lovely exceptions)