lemme see if i get this trauma started out as a memetic parasite it probably helped civilizational cooperation, and so didn't get selected out of existence but now that things change to fast, it's maladaptive
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Replying to @AdeleDeweyLopez @QiaochuYuan and
the main thing that feels iffy about this story is the fact that animals seem to experience trauma -- it doesn't seem to be particularly memetic
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yeah, the whole fight-flight etc. system is already there in animals, i guess a better phrasing is that cultural memes take advantage of the existing trauma system to propagate among human hosts
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so the trauma system is for holding onto escape/hide triggers which is (mostly) pointless for us weirdos living in non-violence but we still have trauma bc it got co-opted by parasitic memes? and so almost all trauma in weirdos is going to be bad??
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so maybe instead of saying yes or no i'll try to elaborate on an example in more detail. let's say you had a stern conservative christian dad who beat you when you didn't obey him. your trauma system learns a trauma response to anything that feels like disobedience
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Replying to @QiaochuYuan @AdeleDeweyLopez and
the point of this response is to avoid beatings from your dad which is super super reasonable. but then, in the modern world, something funny happens: at some point you go to college and now nobody beats you anymore. unfortunately the trauma system does not update on this
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Replying to @QiaochuYuan @AdeleDeweyLopez and
one way the trauma system might update, which might have happened all the time to premodern humans, is if one day you cried a lot about how much your dad beat you. but maybe your dad also beat you for crying, and now that healthy trauma processing is cut off
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Replying to @QiaochuYuan @AdeleDeweyLopez and
so it's possible to not only have a primary trauma but to have secondary traumas that make it harder to clear the primary trauma. now factor in the fact that your stern dad was himself beaten by his dad, etc. etc. (plus the effect of e.g. wartime PTSD)
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Replying to @QiaochuYuan @AdeleDeweyLopez and
I think it might be even worse than this. What if there's no meaningful distinction between a trauma and a learning-based-on-something-painful? A 2-year-old's tantrum expresses authentic rage born of suffering. A 2yo will have a thousand such transient traumas.
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Replying to @moridinamael @QiaochuYuan and
This means every iota of "culture" is painfully carved into the growing being, even including the parts of culture that say "don't bash your sister in the face because she stole your sippy cup".
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right, this ties into @Malcolm_Ocean's point that it's less that trauma is happening and more that it isn't being cleared, and also that we need clearer and more precise terminology here (i'm using "trauma" in several ways here) than is currently available
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