people are mostly using it as an opportunity to make fun of him but the robotic / lizard-person quality of his appearance and esp. his face is a trauma / emotional suppression symptom and he could look 1000% more human if he cried into my arms for a week
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one thing i'm really confused about: why does trauma even exist in the first place? are we just so far out of the ancestral env that trauma is almost always bad now? if not, what trauma should we hold on to??
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@Malcolm_Ocean a version of this question once and he responded with a hypothesis by@DavidDeutschOxf that basically we have ancestral trauma that is good at reproducing itself (in a cycles of abuse kind of way) but not necessarily good for its individual human hosts1 reply 1 retweet 18 likes -
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which frankly is one of the most terrifying things i've ever heard and really put the entire history of human civilization in a new light. this has been haunting me, honestly
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oh, i forgot an important component, more specifically the claim (IIRC) is that one of the main ways a collection of cultural memes stays stable over time is by traumatizing its hosts into stifling their creativity so they don't fuck with the memes
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it's easy to think of trauma as a thing that is like intrinsically bad but from this standpoint the main point is that trauma keeps your responses to situations relatively fixed. so trauma-based culture cannot keep up with rapidly accelerating technological and cultural change
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lemme see if i get this trauma started out as a memetic parasite it probably helped civilizational cooperation, and so didn't get selected out of existence but now that things change to fast, it's maladaptive
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the main thing that feels iffy about this story is the fact that animals seem to experience trauma -- it doesn't seem to be particularly memetic
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Animals get trauma but as far as I've heard they mostly don't get ~PTSD in the wild... and mostly when we say "I have trauma" what we actually mean is "I have unprocessed trauma" (~=PTSD) Random tweet that is pointing at the thing I've heard re animals:https://twitter.com/Eveej33/status/1182742698584936448 …
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Eve@Heart 🧡Space @Eveej33Replying to @KarenUnrueAnimals experience an event that places them in danger and they shake their bodies straight afterwards. This allows the impact of the event to literally be shaken off, processed and released. Complex Trauma has become stuck in the body & left unprocessed often for many years.2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
yeah, thanks for mentioning this, it should go somewhere in the story but i don't have a super clear sense of the mechanism yet. "complex PTSD" is closer to "trauma" the way i'm using it than PTSD as usually understood
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Yeah we need better ontologies for all of this stuff.
@fortelabs seems to be hopping on the "but what about the huge overlooked levels of baseline trauma tho" train too btw: https://twitter.com/fortelabs/status/1163320518088355840 …pic.twitter.com/WnJPqF5r4l
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(Also hi Tiago, welcome to this thread. If reading Bessel van der Kolk prompted you to wonder how the hell we all got so traumatized in the first place and thought it was normal... well, this thread is a sketch at an answer, plus a book reco. Start here
)https://twitter.com/QiaochuYuan/status/1187228502849777664 …Malcolm 🙃cean added,
QC @QiaochuYuanReplying to @AdeleDeweyLopezi asked@Malcolm_Ocean a version of this question once and he responded with a hypothesis by@DavidDeutschOxf that basically we have ancestral trauma that is good at reproducing itself (in a cycles of abuse kind of way) but not necessarily good for its individual human hosts1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes - 1 more reply
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