the main thing that feels iffy about this story is the fact that animals seem to experience trauma -- it doesn't seem to be particularly memetic
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yeah, the whole fight-flight etc. system is already there in animals, i guess a better phrasing is that cultural memes take advantage of the existing trauma system to propagate among human hosts
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so the trauma system is for holding onto escape/hide triggers which is (mostly) pointless for us weirdos living in non-violence but we still have trauma bc it got co-opted by parasitic memes? and so almost all trauma in weirdos is going to be bad??
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so maybe instead of saying yes or no i'll try to elaborate on an example in more detail. let's say you had a stern conservative christian dad who beat you when you didn't obey him. your trauma system learns a trauma response to anything that feels like disobedience
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Replying to @QiaochuYuan @AdeleDeweyLopez and
the point of this response is to avoid beatings from your dad which is super super reasonable. but then, in the modern world, something funny happens: at some point you go to college and now nobody beats you anymore. unfortunately the trauma system does not update on this
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Replying to @QiaochuYuan @AdeleDeweyLopez and
one way the trauma system might update, which might have happened all the time to premodern humans, is if one day you cried a lot about how much your dad beat you. but maybe your dad also beat you for crying, and now that healthy trauma processing is cut off
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Replying to @QiaochuYuan @AdeleDeweyLopez and
so it's possible to not only have a primary trauma but to have secondary traumas that make it harder to clear the primary trauma. now factor in the fact that your stern dad was himself beaten by his dad, etc. etc. (plus the effect of e.g. wartime PTSD)
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Replying to @QiaochuYuan @AdeleDeweyLopez and
@DougTataryn talks about the modern world having "cultural alexithymia" - a widespread lack of emotional awareness, of exactly the sort you would need to understand and process trauma-like stuff2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes -
Replying to @QiaochuYuan @Malcolm_Ocean and
[zooming in on crying] why would crying help? my understanding of crying is that it's a deep, hard-to-fake, signal of pain meant to draw attention from tribe members which implies that tribal security is what we actually need -- not sure how this fits into the trauma story
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Replying to @AdeleDeweyLopez @QiaochuYuan and
focusing on crying here bc crying is the form of emotional processing that actually works, in my experience
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not sure. tribal security is definitely great and i used to think i could only process by crying in front of other people but that's turned out not to be true (although other people helps). crying might be a side effect of the actual good thing
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Replying to @QiaochuYuan @AdeleDeweyLopez and
and the actual good thing might be memory reconsolidation:https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/i9xyZBS3qzA8nFXNQ/book-summary-unlocking-the-emotional-brain …
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