Probably worth articulating: I really dislike arguing. By the time we've gotten down to anything that feels remotely like arguing it feels to me like we've already lost our shot at making any real progress.
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Defensiveness makes it impossible to really take in anything that another person is saying, at a level that would actually mean anything. There is no real learning that can take place from defensiveness. From here the fun move is investigating the defensiveness itself.
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It's very rich to be in e.g. circling / authentic relating contexts which hold defensiveness as something that can be taken as object. Loads more fun moving to "I notice I get defensive when you talk about admiring Jordan Peterson" than arguing!
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This is a real example. It turned out the person in question was afraid that Jordan Peterson might be right about some stuff that his friends and family disagreed about, and that if he believed that stuff they might all reject him.
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Circling / AR culture calls getting this level of detail about what's going on for someone "getting someone's world." Mutual world-getting is a million times more fun, educational, connecting, meaningful, etc. than arguing. Once you see it there's no going back, really.
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And unfortunately there's mostly not enough cultural context to do it online, as far as I can tell. I imagine most people would just be weirded out. The level of questioning you need to do it might seem invasive, and most people aren't good enough at introspection anyway.
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