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apparently i am now the emotions + buddhist shitposting guy

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    1. Gelassenheit‏ @sulphuroxide May 11
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      I'm not sure that happiness should be the ultimate goal of people. I mean, being happy is just a feeling. Shouldn't we strive to be better people for oneself and society and not the maintenance of one's life for the purpose of a single feeling?

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    2. QC‏ @QiaochuYuan May 11
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      happiness was never the point and as far as i can tell thinking happiness is the point is a modern western pathology

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    3. Matt Goldenberg‏ @mattgoldenberg May 13
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      As far as I can tell from doing introspection with lots of coaching clients, something like neverending oneness and bliss is a terminal goal for many people. You can call the goal something like "Congruence" here - but the congruence still seems to be to some sort of felt sense.

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    4. QC‏ @QiaochuYuan May 13
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      Yeah, this seems consistent with what I've heard about e.g. core transformation. There's something I'm confused about here in the direction of wireheading, or like, whether humans meaningfully have preferences about the territory as opposed to just the map.

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    5. Matt Goldenberg‏ @mattgoldenberg May 13
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      Matt Goldenberg Retweeted Matt Goldenberg

      This is part of the heaven vs. enlightenment focus distinction I was trying to get at in this tweet. There are people who are on the enlightenment side that think that wanting to DO something to achieve oneness is the actual map/territory mistake.https://twitter.com/mattgoldenberg/status/1115576370103562242 …

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      1/ At the extremes, people have one of four life goals: To achieve a state of nothingness (himayana enlightenment), to achieve a state of oneness (mahayana enlightenment), to achieve a utopia of meaning (galts gulch), or to achieve a utopia of togetherness (hivemind). pic.twitter.com/kP4W9n3muG
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    6. Matt Goldenberg‏ @mattgoldenberg May 13
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      Note that both heaven and enlightenment are about the strive for congruence/alignment. However, one is changing yourself to be congruent with the world, and one is changing the world to be congruent with yourself.

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    7. Gelassenheit‏ @sulphuroxide May 13
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      That seems right to me. I've noticed people use yoga and other spiritual truths often to manipulate their emotions rather than to get at who they are/"reality" which can be painful. That may be one of the dangers warned in the yoga sutra of "powers" one gains through technique.

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      QC‏ @QiaochuYuan May 13
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      Replying to @sulphuroxide @mattgoldenberg

      Yes! The term of art is "spiritual bypassing" or "spiritual materialism": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritual_materialism …

      6:32 PM - 13 May 2019
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        1. Gelassenheit‏ @sulphuroxide May 13
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          Cool. I've heard that term before. I didn't know it was widely used

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