I bet both sides think it’s describing the other when they read it.
Thucydides, the great historian of antiquity, on the forces that led to the collapse of Athenian democracy. http://ow.ly/GwFT30mvwZg You have to read the quote shown here to believe it. Could be describing USA in 2018.pic.twitter.com/2kPfY28m8S
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This. I follow a variety of information sources to try to avoid forming my thoughts in an echo chamber. From both political sides, it's common to hear, "The other side accuses us of X, but that's only because they're actually guilty of X and are projecting."
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This argument is correct, as far as it goes. We’re all hypocrites in defense of our own perspectives. But that’s a smoke screen hiding a deeper truth. The divide is NOT symmetrical. Reality is more like this conclusion from a review of The Righteous Mind: https://www.firstthings.com/article/2012/06/our-one-eyed-friends …pic.twitter.com/ezPte28K2L
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"The other side accuses us of X, but that's only because they're actually guilty of X and are projecting."
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When the facts refute your world view relabel them as “projecting.”’
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It could describe any number of societies throughout history, I'm afraid. It's the dark side of human nature.
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GREAT quote, definitely applicable, sorry to nitpick, but this passage is about the civil war (στασις) at Corcyra, not Athens. Other factors were also at play in collapse of Ath democracy. Folks if you like this quote, read Thucydides. It’s a goldmine.
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Just to be clear though, Thucydides was describing rampant political violence. Like murders and stuff. Not offensive attack ads. Don't get discouraged. You guys are doing okay. This is all way, way better than Athenian democracy ever was.
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The best response is from Martin Luther King Jr: "in this world, nonviolence is no longer an option for intellectual analysis, it is an imperative for action." https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/04/martin-luther-king-jr-nonviolence-direct-action …
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To quote
@benshapiro , Athenian democracy collapsed because Athenians were all screaming "More Cowbell!!!!!" at the top of their lungs.Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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The first quote from Thucydides in the linked article is more instructive, imo, but, perhaps, doesn't serve the poster's narrative as well. "There was the revenge taken in their hour of triumph by those who had in the past been arrogantly oppressed instead of wisely governed."
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I'm reminded of words written by the great Thomas Sowell
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You can’t apply this to just one side. This also needs to be apply to China which I seeing this being more applicable too
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Pointing out, correctly that China (and others) are in the same situation doesn't make it less true.
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No my point is in the current scenario the attributes that weakened Athens are actually more reflective in China than the US.
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But China is not attempting to be a democracy or anything other than a totalitarian state, so this doesn't truly apply to China..it does to the USA
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Yeah I get what the OP was meaning now. They weren’t referring to the Thucydides trap. Although I feel you can’t remove part of what Thucydides said from his wider work.
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Mankind is ever the same and nothing is lost out of Nature, although everything is altered. Dryden, preface to the Canterbury Tales.
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Human nature doesn’t change and is always the best guide. But for whatever reason, this axiom is widely ignored.
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