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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 22 May 2018
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      Even more catchy phrase as an answer: the revolution will be extracurricular! I don't think that I would start with a general, one-fits-all solution, but with specific children, motivations and styles of understanding, and then see what generalizes.

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    2. samim‏ @samim 22 May 2018
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      the revolution has always been extracurricular! the evolution on the other hand... Alan Kay has a bunch of great talks on the topic.https://twitter.com/samim/status/991950724836671488 …

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      The roots of the word "algorithm" pic.twitter.com/ZvMLjYdYB4
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    3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 22 May 2018
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      But don't you see that everyone who identifies with the hivemind of their local civilizatory tradition is intellectually doomed? Humans basically still live on trees, and different cultures just happen to have different trees.

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    4. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 22 May 2018
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      That is the one thing that puzzles me in you: why can't you see that the Deep Ancient Tradition you are so deferent to is in fact unbearably stupid? Probably at least as much as the silly Western ones, since it lead to a lower standard of economic and military development?

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    5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 22 May 2018
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      The relevant tradition is not Western or Eastern but orthogonal to both. Every large culture has developed some tools and traditions for liberating the mind, but in none of them these tools are popular with the mainstream. Not even with the mainstream of the seekers.

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    6. samim‏ @samim 22 May 2018
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      ps. agree with your point, every culture has developed tool to liberating the mind (my tweet tried to highlight 2: ancient arab with Algoritmi & contemporary US with Allan Kay). I assume we have a unique opportunity right now, to formulate a truly global kanon - a first.

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 22 May 2018
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      Kay is an exceptional thinker, and the people that came up with the idea of algorithms, too. But for understanding our nature, this is irrelevant. For understanding something, it is not important who else thinks what about it!

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    8. samim‏ @samim 22 May 2018
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      Looking forward to a detailed elaboration on this very interesting perspective of yours. In our chats we seem to multiple time arrived at this very point - but the medium blocks further introspection / translation / clarity. When the time comes, will think of a solution & propose

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 22 May 2018
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      When talking to you I get the impression that you see yourself as part of a larger, emergent mind. I reject that idea, because I perceive the larger, emergent minds around me as violently stupid, and their functionality requires constraining the intellectual agency of their hosts

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    10. samim‏ @samim 22 May 2018
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      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nondualism 

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 22 May 2018
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      Yes, you can de-represent the dichotomy between self and other within your mental representations, which leads to a big relief of your separation anxiety and confused generations of spiritual seekers and psychonauts. :)

      9:25 PM - 22 May 2018
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        1. samim‏ @samim 22 May 2018
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          i wish you a lovely day :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=063jQAM6N8I …

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