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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 18 May 2018
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      Nobody "deserves" anything. There are either good consequential reasons to punish people or there aren't. Desert is irrelevant. Everyone was born with a set of traits and preferences which ultimately dictate 100% of their behavior and is merely (un)lucky to be who they are.

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    2. Stephen J. Graham‏ @sjggraham 18 May 2018
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      So you'd be OK to punish an innocent person if it results in better consequences?

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    3. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 18 May 2018
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      Technically yes, but that's a big "if." The consequences of living in a society that punishes innocent people are vast.

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    4. Stephen J. Graham‏ @sjggraham 18 May 2018
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      But still, if the police reckon they can kill an innocent black guy to, say, prevent a riot, and get away with it by framing the guy to look guilty...that's in principle morally acceptable, even obligatory in some circumstances?

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    5. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 18 May 2018
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      There are vastly negative consequences to living in a society where cops or any other people do this. It's a society in which I wouldn't want to live. My consequentialism entails these consequences too.

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    6. Stephen J. Graham‏ @sjggraham 18 May 2018
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      But isn't the problem that they don't cover it up well enough, not that they might target and frame innocent people?

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    7. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 18 May 2018
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      No, I think the problem is that the consequences of such an action extend beyond the ones you seem to be measuring.

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    8. Stephen J. Graham‏ @sjggraham 18 May 2018
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      Possibly, but that's probably because I find consequentialism a hopelessly impossible ethic.

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 18 May 2018
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      That might be a developmental issue. The individual transition from virtue ethics to consequentialism usually means that for that individual, values have been deconstructed as social programming, and there is no going back.

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    10. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 18 May 2018
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      Ftr, I was never a fan of virtue ethics and I don't think values are merely social programming. I think they're a mix of innate biology and environment.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 18 May 2018
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      I suspect the interesting part of values are what is not biology. If I have an intrinsic dislike for violence because it is emotionally exhausting despite paying off, values are what is going to offset that one way or the other, if the individual is susceptible to the programming

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