Yes I agree. No party has a monopoly on this. That idea makes sense. Do you have a good reference on that? Ideally with some good examples/case studies?
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Replying to @Moshe_Hoffman
I think I can dig out the references for non factual beliefs across camps. But the idea of a "costly belief" itself probably does not have evidential support. Perhaps you have an idea how to test it?
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Replying to @Plinz
Hmm, I guess we should clarify exactly what’s being claimed. Some ideas are held by in group members because they would be *especially* costly to hold for outgroup members? If so...
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Replying to @Moshe_Hoffman @Plinz
this fits the logic of costly signaling. And so is well supported theoretically. And...
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Replying to @Moshe_Hoffman @Plinz
There r, I think, good analogs, specifically wrt to showing in group membership, like tattoos, which signal you are part of the counterculture, bc, at least in the past, would have been quite costly for people who r still trying to be mainstream, eg couldn’t get white collar job.
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Replying to @Moshe_Hoffman @Plinz
I can’t think of a clear example of beliefs that (clearly)fit this though. Maybe you can? A belief that is clearly there *because* not *so* costly for ingriup members but *uber* costly for most people?
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Replying to @Moshe_Hoffman
Young earth creationism, virgin birth, four armed deities etc. are classical examples. A new one might be 'cultural appropriation', for instance.
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Replying to @Plinz
Yeah just not sure those are selected *because* they make it harder to be an outgroup member. Eg sjw might just be good way to signal care bout minorities (even if not actually useful to minorities). 1/2
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Replying to @Moshe_Hoffman
That might be a good example: sjw cares about 'structural oppression' in a way that ignores actual material circumstances. For instance, most homeless people are not a concern because they are male, hence privileged. That would be counterintuitive to a run-of-the-mill leftist.
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Replying to @Plinz
Yeah I just don’t think such arguments (if they are given) would be given *because* other people would find them *more* unreasonable than sjw’s would. Rather I think such an argument *might* be given *because* it is a good way to signal in the know bout dogma re oppression.
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You will also find that once a 'radical' belief becomes more mainstream, the same group of people will form more radical beliefs to identify with, i.e. the dogma and its interpretation are evolving to keep its distance from the general memepool.
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Replying to @Plinz
I agree with this phenomena. And that definitely happens re sjw (but not only them.) Not so obvious what’s driving it.
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