The point of norms is not that they are justified because they worked well for the ancestors (even though that is often literally claimed to be the case, and even materially the case), but simply that "this is the way we do it", and you are often considered wrong for asking.
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Replying to @mere_mortise
Yes, and many normies seem to think that this gives them a justification that is comparable to the justification of the truth of a mathematical statement.
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At the moment, it seems to be mostly the progressives that became hyper normative, while it is mostly conservatives that tend to make more consequentialist arguments?
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Or you could admit that it is true that there was never as much absolute and median wealth and prosperity as today, and alternate modes of society empirically failed to replicate that. This is not a normative statement, just an argument that I first heard from Schopenhauer.
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I don't want to express that conservatism or progressivism or liberalism are preferable, because that is orthogonal to the argument itself. I just want to point out that the argument is not indefensible.
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