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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 5 May 2018
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      Is there a hermetic endgame in Buddhist traditions, where they secretly fix the student's epistemology and truth criteria (~Kegan 4), after they deliberately kept the student at Kegan 3 to use authority for fixing the student's motivational structure (~Kegan 5)? @Meaningness

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    2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 5 May 2018
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      Um… I’m not sure I understand the question. I think you may have a different understanding of what Kegan’s stages are about than I do, and I’m not able to translate the question for that reason.

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    3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 5 May 2018
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      First principle of epistemology (confidence in belief must equal evidence in support) is the foundation of gaining agency over one's beliefs, but incompatible with many religious narratives. If you get through the school of mysteries, do they eventually tell you this secret?

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    4. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 5 May 2018
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      I’m reasonably sure not. Mainstream Buddhism isn’t a mystery religion at all. It has a surprisingly formal, well-developed epistemological theory, which explicitly takes scripture as unquestionable Truth.

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      In other words, even the most evolved adherents of mainstream Buddhism will not have agency over the contents of their beliefs (i.e. need to skip parts of what is roughly Kegan's stage 4)?

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        2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 5 May 2018
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          Stage 4, if I understand Kegan correctly, just means you have a system. Any system. It can be completely bogus. The Buddhist systems are completely bogus, imo.

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 5 May 2018
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          Perhaps I don't understand Kegan correctly, but imho stage 4 marks the departure from externally assimilated beliefs to internally constructed ones, and that necessary involves the exploration of the criteria for valid beliefs? (Not that I want to discuss Kegan exegetics here.)

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