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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. samim‏ @samim 3 May 2018
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      "You seem to submit to external authorities" < i like to collaborate with my wife (nicer word for submit) & submit to vegetables due to hunger ;-) Those aside, i guess you are getting at "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Love is the law, love under will"?

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    2. samim‏ @samim 3 May 2018
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      "It is as if you are identified at a different level of self" < wouldn't you agree, that to overcome the illusion of the many aspects of the 'self' and the many faces of the 'other', is a fundamental human quest and it's resolution could be equated with enlightenment?

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    3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 3 May 2018
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      Yes. But that is only an instrumental goal. Enlightenment is not a terminal goal. The meaning if life is not necessarily to overcome your mental architecture. The meaning of driving is not necessarily found by taking the car apart.

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    4. samim‏ @samim 3 May 2018
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      Ah yes, your analogy brings up Arthur Koestler-isms late at night (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holon_(philosophy) … I am undecided, which might actually be part of the puzzle

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    5. samim‏ @samim 3 May 2018
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      btw. find the "The meaning of life" over-complex/hard to unpack. For me, the habits or rhythms of life becomes more approachable, almost like a piece of music.

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    6. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 3 May 2018
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      Spoken like a good host of a decently working hive mind.

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    7. samim‏ @samim 3 May 2018
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      could you elaborate a bit on your objections to hive minds (community) and/or fascination with complete autarky? In the final analysis, are you suggesting you are a singular mind, complete independent from / the source of all perceived "external" forces (e.g. a god-like thing) ?

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    8. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 3 May 2018
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      This is not a claim to superiority, but an observation of a different cognitive style and self construct. I am apparently unable to submit. I don't see how someone could justify a claim to authority over my beliefs independently of their argument. I am a singleton in this sense.

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 3 May 2018
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      Btw, I wonder about the implementation of mental agencies. Each behavior program must have a way to submit to higher level programs. I observe that many people even have an open "top-node", i.e. their ego has a desire to submit and meld with an external program. That looks weird!

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    10. samim‏ @samim 3 May 2018
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      I wonder as well. This question has very tangible socio-political implications, explored for example in Erich Fromm's "Escape from Freedom" or in the other side of the Spectrum, in Julius Evola's works, or even in Tim Leary's '8 circuit model'. I don't know. What u think?

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 3 May 2018
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      I wonder to which degree it might even be genetic. Within me, each behavior program seems to have trouble to cede control to any other. Perhaps I am feral, and most humans seem to be domesticated.

      6:40 PM - 3 May 2018 from Manhattan, NY
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        1. samim‏ @samim 3 May 2018
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          We might get some new answers towards that question soon. Just ordered "Neuroexistentialism: Meaning, Morals, and Purpose in the Age of Neuroscience" which promises to be frustrating & interesting: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0190460733/?coliid=IQWUBJ20NWIME&colid=2ZF559ME7DWA7&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it …

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