yes i can see that but still perhaps don't love it (and certainly don't be cynical); we don't really share purpose with it
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Replying to @Plinz
interested to find out who is "it" and who get's to define "its" purpose?
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Replying to @samim
My purpose cannot be defined by anyone but myself. You seem to be submitting to external authorities, and the difficulty for you is how to justify the choice of the particular authority. It is as if you are identified at a different level of self?
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Replying to @Plinz
"You seem to submit to external authorities" < i like to collaborate with my wife (nicer word for submit) & submit to vegetables due to hunger ;-) Those aside, i guess you are getting at "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Love is the law, love under will"?
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"It is as if you are identified at a different level of self" < wouldn't you agree, that to overcome the illusion of the many aspects of the 'self' and the many faces of the 'other', is a fundamental human quest and it's resolution could be equated with enlightenment?
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Replying to @samim
Yes. But that is only an instrumental goal. Enlightenment is not a terminal goal. The meaning if life is not necessarily to overcome your mental architecture. The meaning of driving is not necessarily found by taking the car apart.
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Replying to @Plinz
Ah yes, your analogy brings up Arthur Koestler-isms late at night (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holon_(philosophy) … I am undecided, which might actually be part of the puzzle
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btw. find the "The meaning of life" over-complex/hard to unpack. For me, the habits or rhythms of life becomes more approachable, almost like a piece of music.
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Replying to @samim
Spoken like a good host of a decently working hive mind.
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Replying to @Plinz
could you elaborate a bit on your objections to hive minds (community) and/or fascination with complete autarky? In the final analysis, are you suggesting you are a singular mind, complete independent from / the source of all perceived "external" forces (e.g. a god-like thing) ?
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This is not a claim to superiority, but an observation of a different cognitive style and self construct. I am apparently unable to submit. I don't see how someone could justify a claim to authority over my beliefs independently of their argument. I am a singleton in this sense.
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Btw, I wonder about the implementation of mental agencies. Each behavior program must have a way to submit to higher level programs. I observe that many people even have an open "top-node", i.e. their ego has a desire to submit and meld with an external program. That looks weird!
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Replying to @Plinz
I wonder as well. This question has very tangible socio-political implications, explored for example in Erich Fromm's "Escape from Freedom" or in the other side of the Spectrum, in Julius Evola's works, or even in Tim Leary's '8 circuit model'. I don't know. What u think?
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