Every stage has its supposedly good reasons for skipping or circumventing spiritual practice so this is not unique to stage 4, but spiritual bypassing is pathological, not healthy. There are healthy forms of 4th order spiritual inquiry.
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Replying to @michaelgarfield @MimeticValue and
Specifically, qualitative data can still be regarded as data and inquiry can be of exterior or interior phenomena. Just because we had a traumatic dissociation in the west doesn't mean science and spirituality are incompatible by default.
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The main reason is that all readily available forms of spirituality seem to be filled to the brim with parasitic mind viruses. Spiritual practitioners routinely ask students to leave their rational capacity at the doorstep, and embrace the destruction of their epistemology.
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Replying to @MimeticValue @michaelgarfield and
No he doesn't. He jumped into the septic tank and then devoted his life's work to disinfecting as much as he can. But I don't see the point in jumping into the septic tank if you want to get clean, other than as a spectacle for others that want to study cleaning techniques.
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Replying to @Plinz @MimeticValue and
Septic tank maintenance, as you put it, and legitimate tantra that doesn't mind hanging out in the charnel grounds and embraces the fullness of human experience...how can you be sure you know the difference?
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Replying to @michaelgarfield @MimeticValue and
Very different levels. Do you play with your mind by using all available stimuli or do you submit to the injection of beliefs without possibility of evidential support?
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Replying to @Plinz @MimeticValue and
Sounds like you are using the terms religion and blind faith interchangeably, which does extraordinary violence to the accumulated wealth of wisdom and symbolically encoded insight stored in and transmitted by the world's traditions...
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Replying to @michaelgarfield @MimeticValue and
Yes, there are evil cults that plunge the other half of the world into centuries of darkness, and wise religions that enlighten my half of the world with centuries of insight. :)
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Replying to @Plinz @MimeticValue and
That sounds very black and white - and if I'm not mistaken, tolerance for ambiguity is a hallmark of Kegan's stage 4 and (even more so) stage 5...
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Yes, you easily discover that there is not a single valid narrative but a map of possible truths. But the ambiguity does not extend to "perhaps we can go back to Newtonian physics" or "perhaps people talking to burning bushes have access to a deeper level of cosmic truth".
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Obviously. They just don’t have any claim to the null hypothesis.
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