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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. samim‏ @samim 1 May 2018
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      Replying to @Plinz @Grady_Booch @ellebarka

      Are you calling for more fascism here or am I misunderstanding? Intellectual games are fun, until they are not...

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    3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 1 May 2018
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      I don’t think evolution is unfair, because fairness depends on the rules of the game, and evolution is a game in which you cannot cheat if you play it. And there are local optima that may prevent society from falling into the attractor of the global optimum.

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    4. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 1 May 2018
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      Replying to @Plinz @ellebarka and

      Also, my ideas of good and evil must be kept in a different place than my own moral programs. I try to understand which bits need to be flipped to turn one person into another. In understanding I try to be everyone, every possible self consistent mind.

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    5. samim‏ @samim 1 May 2018
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      Replying to @Plinz @ellebarka @Grady_Booch

      What are the dangers of trying to understand everything and be "everyone" (a attempt at extreme info compression)? The probability of ending up just confused and a "nobody" strike me as high. Beyond that, agree that believes are just a tool - yet morality still important/useful

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    6. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 1 May 2018
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      Replying to @samim @ellebarka @Grady_Booch

      At my most unconfused level, I am really nobody. I am just a story generated in a mind. That most basic identification, my mind, is a thing that makes models, if something makes it do so. Morality does not exist at this level, just as atoms have no temperature.

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    7. samim‏ @samim 1 May 2018
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      Agree, standard morality is very surface/cultural & is stripped away (alongside most of perception) by a mid>high dose of DMT for example. There are lower level "drives" though i would argue, that are much harder to get rid of > possibly "the drive towards life", but who knows ;)

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    8. samim‏ @samim 1 May 2018
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      As Philip K. Dick remarked “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.”. His statement really gets more interesting, when you put "death" into the picture and study what does not go away (the nature of nothingness)

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 1 May 2018
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      Replying to @samim @ellebarka @Grady_Booch

      It is true, but from a subjective perspective only: our brain determines real from irreal by whether we can change it with the mind. Which is why many mathematicians are Platonists: they experience the immutable structure that is intrinsic to the mathematical symbol games as real

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    10. samim‏ @samim 1 May 2018
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      i can understand why many thinkers seek refuge in platonic views / see math as "true deeper reality". Personally can't comprehend how such things are more real than any other construct of the mind - or how it would survive death and function with out temporality. Just more story

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 1 May 2018
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      Mathematics is less yielding than anything we can perceive or feel. It is much easier to turn coal into diamond and then chew the diamond back into coal than it is to change the truth of a mathematical statement. Mathematics cannot be changed, only explored.

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        2. Achraf Kassioui‏ @achrafkassioui 2 May 2018
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          Pain and joy are less yielding than mathematics.

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 2 May 2018
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          Replying to @achrafkassioui @samim and

          Pain and joy are in fact very easy to shape, modulate, invert or turn off, which is why we recognize them as mental states in early childhood already.

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          I hear you ("math can only be explored"), and can respect that point of view. But my scepticism remains strong, as having too much certainty about such - possibly unknowable - questions does not feel sane.https://twitter.com/samim/status/829462226541109248 …

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          What does the square root of minus 1 and fairies have in common? pic.twitter.com/7KoOVnwzHY
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