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    1. M_Methuselah‏ @M_Methuselah 1 May 2018
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      It's also become clearer to me why people tend to intuitively (whether maliciously or otherwise) categorize Peterson as "far right" or some other brand of conservative, despite his relatively clear (classical) liberal principles, and beyond his surface level religiousness.

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    2. M_Methuselah‏ @M_Methuselah 1 May 2018
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      Similar to Sowell's conflict of visions, Peterson is intuitively classified as "conservative" because his vision of humanity seems very constrained. In my new political paradigm, I would classify Peterson as an exceptionally "exogenous" thinker, which would place him far "right."

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    3. M_Methuselah‏ @M_Methuselah 1 May 2018
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      Combined with my "hyperbolic political spacetime hypothesis," my disagreement with him might stem from his extremely "right" reference frame, which distorts the vertical axis from my perspective and de facto makes him much more teleological than I tend to be.

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    4. M_Methuselah‏ @M_Methuselah 1 May 2018
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      If you want to know more about these specific ideas related to my new political paradigm, I suggest you check them out in my first blog post here. (I'll hopefully write more posts, once my brain gets up to speed again.)https://monophyleticfish.wordpress.com/2018/02/26/a-new-political-paradigm/ …

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    5. M_Methuselah‏ @M_Methuselah 1 May 2018
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      In conclusion, Jordan Peterson made me think a lot about the evolutionary origins of religious thinking. He's interesting, and has many novel ideas. But I think he's very wrong when it comes to his interpretation of evolutionary principles to bolster his religious metaphysics.

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    6. M_Methuselah‏ @M_Methuselah 1 May 2018
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      Further, I haven't seen any criticisms of his application of evolutionary principles from within an evolutionary framework, and I've only seen a flat rejection of his metaphysics without properly addressing the interpretation of scientific theory he uses to defend it.

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    7. M_Methuselah‏ @M_Methuselah 1 May 2018
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      I don't know if there's anything like that out there and I'm just very ignorant of it, or I'm just a slow thinker, but I figured that it was valuable to share my thoughts on this even if I feel like it was overdue, both as my own ideas, and as a general address of Peterson.

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    8. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 1 May 2018
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      At the core of Peterson's argument about religion is not a belief in a supernatural being, but in shared purpose as a foundation for non-transactional interaction, which is required for a functioning society. Religion aligns purposes. Peterson does not believe in God, but purpose

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 1 May 2018
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      The fundamental innovation of monotheist religion is the ultimate accountability of the individual to a social superorganism above individual, family or tribe. God is not the tribe, but the tribe's organizational principle. This is an adaptation to multi-level selection.

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    10. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 1 May 2018
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      The Abrahamic religions are designer viruses. They have been purposefully created and optimized as operating systems of their host societies. While their rationality is inferior to antique and modern secularism, they are exceptionally stable.

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      We are probably adapted to religion, in part because our ancestors had a habit of genociding other tribes and thus replacing the godless population. But Peterson is probably not correct that religion is the only or even the best tool to sustainably organize a scalable society.

      2:51 PM - 1 May 2018 from Manhattan, NY
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        2. M_Methuselah‏ @M_Methuselah 1 May 2018
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          That makes a lot of sense. You're right, I also think that Peterson is wrong when it comes to whether or not religious organization is the best tool.

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 1 May 2018
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          But he is right in observing that the West is romantic; that even most of our atheists are driven by a need for higher meaning, and that the Western ideals are based on the sense of purpose once created by religion. (China is not romantic, for instance.)

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