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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Miles Brundage‏ @Miles_Brundage 22 Apr 2018
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      It's Socratic Sunday! Here is an imagined dialogue btwn supporters/opponents of Google working on Project Maven and more generally pursuing DOD contracts, since the quality of this debate IRL is very low. Jane "Hawk" Jeffers supports GOOG/PM/DOD, Jill "Dove" Johnson doesn't.

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    2. Miles Brundage‏ @Miles_Brundage 22 Apr 2018
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      Jane: Google is involved in matters of security whether they explicitly pursue contracts or not. Examples include YouTube-hosted war videos and widespread use of Google tools like search/Maps/Earth.... (cont'd)

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    3. Miles Brundage‏ @Miles_Brundage 22 Apr 2018
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      Jane (cont'd): They have a responsibility as an American company benefiting from American protections + gov't R+D to help explicitly w/ American security threats.

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    4. Miles Brundage‏ @Miles_Brundage 22 Apr 2018
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      Jill: While I agree that Google is necessarily involved in matters of security, including that of the US in particular, that doesn't mean that Google should support all possible missions DOD pursues...

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    5. Miles Brundage‏ @Miles_Brundage 22 Apr 2018
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      Jill (cont'd): In the case of Maven, while ISIS is indeed bad, there is no evidence that this "non-offensive purposes" language means anything, or that Google's expertise is being used ethically. Google should have clear, public principles before doing any such things.

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    6. Miles Brundage‏ @Miles_Brundage 22 Apr 2018
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      Jane: We agree that ISIS is bad, it seems, but I think you're downplaying the severity of the issue and Google's need to assist. ISIS has been linked to many attacks on US soil, with the Pulse nightclub attack alone claiming 49 lives....

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    7. Miles Brundage‏ @Miles_Brundage 22 Apr 2018
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      Jane (cont'd): Tackling this threat is a serious challenge and Google has unique skills that can aid in the effort, such as deploying image recognition technology.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 22 Apr 2018
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      I think that you are treating war as a struggle of good people against bad people, and conflate conflicts over resources, geopolitical influence and international stability with policing issues. Eventually, Google would have to take a stance on geopolitics, not just ethics.

      10:02 AM - 22 Apr 2018 from Cambridge, MA
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        2. Miles Brundage‏ @Miles_Brundage 22 Apr 2018
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          Got to that a bit at the end.

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        3. Miles Brundage‏ @Miles_Brundage 22 Apr 2018
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          but yes, this is not an exhaustive dialogue.

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        2. Rita J. King‏ @RitaJKing 22 Apr 2018
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          And eventually any stance Google may take will have blurred boundaries, new geopolitical considerations, shifting regulatory constraints and unintended extrinsic consequences.

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 22 Apr 2018
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          For me, it seems that there are two separate questions: 1) does Google really want to become part of the government of the US and make decisions about war and peace? 2) is Google's employee morale and public image compatible with being a defense contractor?

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        1. Rita J. King‏ @RitaJKing 22 Apr 2018
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          PS. If the regulatory constraints are insufficiently expensive, they are less constraining but still time consuming on multiple fronts

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