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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Kris St.Gabriel‏ @stgabriel 21 Apr 2018
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      Most of us in the west grapple with the idea of a religion can be non-theistic. "Buddhism’s image in pop culture is woefully deficient, more a reflection of our own history, culture and needs". Verifyable true. Lexiconical differences, our enthusiasm to embrace it, etc.

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    2. Kris St.Gabriel‏ @stgabriel 21 Apr 2018
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      I remember reading about Buddhist cosmology, and feeling deeply unsettled and amazed. It's remarkable, alien almost. I've read of monks, who have meditated for their entire lives, and quite calmly can point to a mountain their eyes can see, as 'objective reality'.

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    3. Kris St.Gabriel‏ @stgabriel 21 Apr 2018
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      So here in the west, we can only see buddhist cosmology through our own lens, and interpret much of it positively, as fascinatingly metaphorical. Psychological states induced by calm thinking, etc. We are filtering it, in a well-meaning way, through belief systems of our own.

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    4. Kris St.Gabriel‏ @stgabriel 21 Apr 2018
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      What gets to me, is, a community of monks who, after a lifetime of (clever self-regulation of emotions and meditation) can point to a bloody mountain we can't see. What are they seeing? How? Most of us don't want to be troubled by that. "Collective hallucination", etc.

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    5. Kris St.Gabriel‏ @stgabriel 21 Apr 2018
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      So, I quietly and politely, feel a bit troubled by western conceptions of buddhism. It 'picks and chooses',a lot. It appropriates at times a somewhat supportive, light-weight, feel-good understanding of a confounding, sophisticated, uncomfortable anti-dogmatic 'practice'.

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    6. Kris St.Gabriel‏ @stgabriel 21 Apr 2018
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      I agree with the thrust of that article, but its repeated use of the word 'faith' makes me pause! Buddhist philosophy problematises and admonishes against faith. You see? That's not me being pedantic; a basic word like 'faith' undermines (and eerily proves) the dude's thesis :)

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 21 Apr 2018
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      Based on what I observed in SE asia, popular Buddhism primarily exists as a faith there, not unlike Catholicism in Italy. The philosophical traditions seem to be partially different from that and at least as diverse and prone to superstitious branches as Abrahamic ones.

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    8. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 21 Apr 2018
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      Christian traditions also produced philosophies that fixed most of the epistemological issues, but they are not very relevant to the Christian laypeople. Do you think that is different for Buddhism?

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    9. Kris St.Gabriel‏ @stgabriel 21 Apr 2018
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      I'm from rural Australia; very few talked about christianity, or the bible. No christian friends until university (and then we didn't discuss it). I want to be curious about it, but all evidence suggests that I haven't been. I grew up practically at an 'edge' of western civ.

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    10. Kris St.Gabriel‏ @stgabriel 21 Apr 2018
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      I'm struggling to explain that I dont understand the abrahamic religions. It's Legacy Stuff; Esoteric Big Questions. I'm not buddhist, but as a working-class Australian, buddhist phil. is a bit like stoicism; it has a focus on mundane problems. It feels down-to-earth.

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      I am by no means an expert on Buddhism, I have read only a handful of books and talked to folks, and spent a year with among a local group. Christianity is more down to earth imho.

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        2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 21 Apr 2018
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          The Catholics designed it specifically to run a society when the Roman secularist republic fell apart, by adapting the very successful Hebrew cult for a larger and diverse audience, picking Jesus as a human prototype, devoping saints as interface gods, lithurgic practice, etc

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 21 Apr 2018
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          Christian mysticism is partially parasitic subcults within the Christian body, and partially group psychosis caused by the attempt to reconcile superstitious esoteric epistemology with ontological exploration

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