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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. John Manedrake‏ @Xrayhighs 17 Apr 2018
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      question: can you reach #Enlightenment without Motivation and Belief? What kind of way might that be? #trainAI #future

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    2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 17 Apr 2018
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      I think that with a bit of dedication (and separation from everyday life), many people could go there, but if they understand what it means they won't find it desirable. Full (eastern) enlightenment is complete freedom from caring.

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    3. Kris St.Gabriel‏ @stgabriel 17 Apr 2018
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      Freedom from attachment, not caring. Beyond the limitations of a tweet what they mean by attachment; it's more or less our delusory, unchallenged conception of things that we hold too dear. Enlightenment is not a state of indifference; saintlike-compassion comes before nirvana.

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    4. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 17 Apr 2018
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      I am not enlightened enough to make definitive statements here! I am aware that many practitioners think that their road ends with compassion, but others consider compassion to be a deluded state as well.

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    5. Kris St.Gabriel‏ @stgabriel 18 Apr 2018
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      One of the fascinating, troubling aspects of buddhism is that nobody, apart from a few buddhas, knows what nirvana actually is. We know it's a general ending of the cycle of rebirth. But where are the buddhas? The answer is, apparently: "You'll know when youre a buddha".

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    6. Kris St.Gabriel‏ @stgabriel 18 Apr 2018
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      And so, if one is motivated to become a monk (being a lay buddhist is like, meh, in buddhism), your best reason is, 'this is not for me, i don't exist, i'm more or less a fiction, im just giving up this deluded experience, I want off this merry-go-round'.

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 18 Apr 2018
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      I suspect that monasteries and religions are economic and political institutions and thus may not have interests that are fully aligned with what you intend. A religion or monastery that leads its clients efficiently to deliverance would perish. Instead, it must sell the promise.

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    8. Kris St.Gabriel‏ @stgabriel 18 Apr 2018
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      I wouldn't dismiss 2500 years of cultural practice, with terms like 'efficiency', or discuss the 'deliverables' of their monastic traditions. Or speculate about what they 'sell'. We can do better than applying western consumerist interpretations of 'quaint oriental beliefs'.

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 18 Apr 2018
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      I don't think that they are "quaint oriental beliefs". Yet the Buddhist practices of today are largely not the same as 2500 years ago (they are evolving and culturally exchanging too), and we don't do Western schools of thought justice if we dismiss them as consumerist etc.

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    10. Kris St.Gabriel‏ @stgabriel 18 Apr 2018
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      "we" didn't dismiss western thought as consumerist. anyway, im out of time: go read that book, joscha; it's fun and not uninteresting, but you'll sound like you're talking out of your hat until you have some basic concepts.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 21 Apr 2018
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      What do you think of this little summary? Or David Chapman’s “Vividness”? https://aeon.co/amp/essays/what-lies-behind-the-simplistic-image-of-the-happy-buddhist?__twitter_impression=true …

      9:32 AM - 21 Apr 2018 from Peabody, MA
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        2. Kris St.Gabriel‏ @stgabriel 21 Apr 2018
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          Most of us in the west grapple with the idea of a religion can be non-theistic. "Buddhism’s image in pop culture is woefully deficient, more a reflection of our own history, culture and needs". Verifyable true. Lexiconical differences, our enthusiasm to embrace it, etc.

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        3. Kris St.Gabriel‏ @stgabriel 21 Apr 2018
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          I remember reading about Buddhist cosmology, and feeling deeply unsettled and amazed. It's remarkable, alien almost. I've read of monks, who have meditated for their entire lives, and quite calmly can point to a mountain their eyes can see, as 'objective reality'.

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        2. Kris St.Gabriel‏ @stgabriel 21 Apr 2018
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          Thanks for this. I'll preface with: I've learned more of buddhist philosophy, and am pretty ignoant re: Theravada or Mahayana or Tibettan buddhism. But.. is buddhism a faith? Arguably, an anti-faith. It's also non-theistic; the buddha thought gods were kinda a waste of time (!)

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 21 Apr 2018
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          Note that there are gods (devas) referenced in Buddhism. It is just that their supernatural powers don't include the ability to give meaning to our existence, as they do in the monotheist religions. And of course Buddhism-as-religion expects you to take some items on faith.

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