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    Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 19 Apr 2018
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    The Sapir Whorf hypothesis (language defines what we can perceive and think) is mostly wrong for natural language, but true for programming. Computer languages don't differ in what they can do but in how they let us think.

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      2. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 22 Apr 2018
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        In my notes: "Sapir Whorf seems to be only weakly true for so-called 'human languages', but strongly true for many other representations (mathematics, many interfaces, music, PL, etc)". BTW, I don't much like the term "natural" language, tho I'll concede it has some utility

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      3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 22 Apr 2018
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        It might simply be because we now have a largely unified global context, and all linguistic families are required to explore a similar semantic space. This does not apply to specialized semantic areas, which don't have linguistic expressions in natural languages.

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      2. colorless green idea‏ @dkrentzlin 19 Apr 2018
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        Is that really a fact or just a conversation starter? I was always wondering if it applies to programming languages.

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      3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 19 Apr 2018
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        How would I possibly know? I am just some story generated in a probabilistic biological computer that generates functions that try to model the world.

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      2. Cole Hudson‏ @colejhudson 19 Apr 2018
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        Cole Hudson Retweeted ☞Cassidy #BlackLivesMatter

        Are you familiar with the series of papers on the Piraha? It was a whole thing:https://twitter.com/shapkaa/status/982023915319906304?s=19 …

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      3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 19 Apr 2018
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        Yes! After being very puzzled, I mostly chalked them up as outliers: they have only a couple hundred speakers, so the group might have become stuck in a local minimum.

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      1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 22 Apr 2018
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        No. And Arrival is another good example of a very radical Sapir Whorf interpretation.

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      2. Rob Long‏ @plantimals 19 Apr 2018
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        why is it mostly wrong for natural languages? perhaps wrong for qualitative concepts but not quantitative? for example the ability to discern colors increasing with language's resolution of color names.

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      3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 19 Apr 2018
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        I think the ability to discern colors depends mostly on types of color receptors and practice, with resolution of color names in a given group probably being confounded by practice. But I would expect color names to strongly influence category prototypes.

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      2. ows‏ @osteele 22 Apr 2018
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        "A language that doesn't affect the way you think about programming, is not worth knowing." – Alan Perlis

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      3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 22 Apr 2018
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        Python was a language that I found to be very close to how I thought about programming. I found it very beneficial to my programming practice to be able to express my thoughts quite closely.

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