question: can you reach #Enlightenment without Motivation and Belief? What kind of way might that be? #trainAI #future
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Replying to @Xrayhighs
I think that with a bit of dedication (and separation from everyday life), many people could go there, but if they understand what it means they won't find it desirable. Full (eastern) enlightenment is complete freedom from caring.
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Replying to @Plinz @Xrayhighs
Freedom from attachment, not caring. Beyond the limitations of a tweet what they mean by attachment; it's more or less our delusory, unchallenged conception of things that we hold too dear. Enlightenment is not a state of indifference; saintlike-compassion comes before nirvana.
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Replying to @stgabriel @Xrayhighs
I am not enlightened enough to make definitive statements here! I am aware that many practitioners think that their road ends with compassion, but others consider compassion to be a deluded state as well.
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Replying to @Plinz @Xrayhighs
One of the fascinating, troubling aspects of buddhism is that nobody, apart from a few buddhas, knows what nirvana actually is. We know it's a general ending of the cycle of rebirth. But where are the buddhas? The answer is, apparently: "You'll know when youre a buddha".
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So, it's not fatalistic or nihilist, and it's not even self-improvement. It's a renunciation of 'most things' as a general waste of time, and eventually, that includes quitting buddhism. It's not transcendence, it's the conception that 'none of this stuff we do works'.
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Replying to @stgabriel @Xrayhighs
I think it is the realization that everything matters exactly to the degree we chose, and its implications.
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Replying to @Plinz @Xrayhighs
To be honest, man, that would be like a mile marker a few hundred klicks down the road. THEIR conception of enlightenment is like walking along an infinite road for millions of lifetimes (sometimes as a god in heaven) then waking up, and going 'elsewhere'. Except its weirder.
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Replying to @stgabriel @Xrayhighs
Except that this would be epistemologically unclean. Other lifetimes only exist like this lifetime: as false memories and runaway projections. (And there is no 'elsewhere', only 'constructing otherwise'.)
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Replying to @Plinz @Xrayhighs
Well, take it up with the international community of buddhists. You were talking about 'what liberation meant to them' :) and I thought I'd point out that you had the all the concepts mixed up. Source: I read a single introductory text book about buddhism at Harvard ext. school.
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I cannot judge Buddhist beliefs from a Buddhist perspective. I can only use my own. Use your perspective to judge mine.
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