Are worms and ants conscious, or just unconscious biological machines? https://www.quora.com/Are-worms-and-ants-conscious-or-just-unconscious-biological-machines/answer/Joscha-Bach-1?srid=eT1K …
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Replying to @Plinz
My question is whether sensation is an abstraction that only exists in a brain, or whether it exists as a property of physics and trees/stars/atoms have sensation. Of course there would be no self to experience them but still.
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Replying to @DeltrusGaming
Why would you think that? Anything that suggests that sensation in stars and atoms is a thing?
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Replying to @Plinz
Alright lets simplify it down, does sensation exist in sensation receptors, without the brain backing it up? If it does, then why is that formation of atoms special compared with any other? 1/2
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Replying to @DeltrusGaming @Plinz
If it doesn't, at which point does sensation arise with a neuron/receptor combination? What makes x number of neurons special? I'm talking about sensation without self ofc, you did a great job explaining why self is needed for sensation to have any meaning. 2/2
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Replying to @DeltrusGaming @Plinz
I should add, this to me feels like the divide between relativity (talking about large scales) and quantum theory (talking about small scales). There is a fuzzy grey area between them, which should be clear and continuous, but isn't.
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The line between individual molecules and fluid dynamics is also not clear and continuous. You may need to take a big leap on your zoom lens to get from an implementation space to an average expectation space.
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